welcome GenevieveUPDATE: She’s here! Welcome to the world, Genevieve. Jamie writes: We loved Rosalie and liked Rachel a lot, but with an R last name, we worried it would just be too run-on. We had about six finalists up until the day she was born, including Cecilia and Louise/Louisa. But none of them fit.

So we took this list back out, and settled on Genevieve! It’s like Josephine that we both loved, but without repeating an initial/shortening to a boy name. Thanks so much for all of the help!

Jamie writes:

We’re expecting our third child, a girl, in early 2021, and we’re struggling to find a name.

Here’s our dilemma: our last name is very short. One syllable. Rhymes with dry and why. It’s a kind of bread.

Growing up my husband was always AdamLastName. Since taking my husband’s last name, I’ve experienced the same thing. It’s like our last name is becoming part of the name everyone uses.

So we gave our kids longer first names and don’t shorten them. Katherine is Katie at home, but always Katherine in public. Same with Jonathan/Jon-Jon. We like the shorter nicknames, and short names in general, but don’t want them to get swallowed up with our last name.

If this baby had been a boy, we settled on Cameron. It would’ve been Jonathan’s name except is Cameron with our last name like a sandwich? Maybe, but we’re over it now. We also worried it was too close to Katherine, but with Jonathan in the mix, maybe that isn’t an issue.

But for a sister? There are so many choices, and we’re not sure if any of them are right.

We like Charlotte and Isabelle, but they seem too popular.

Names like Alexandra and Margaret seem like they’re always nicknamed Lexie/Maggie.

As a girl-Jamie, I also don’t want to end up with a girl-Charlie or a girl-Alex. I hated it in high school, and it can still be annoying sometimes.

I don’t want to use another J name and there’s the girl-Jo issue, so Josephine is out, but that’s kind of what we’re looking for.

What name aren’t we thinking of?!

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

Dear Jamie –

Congratulations on your new daughter!

Parents who prefer classic names have it easier, in the sense that their list is automatically made for them. Except that highly edited list of truly traditional choices can conflict with other wants. Because the right name for your daughter should also be clearly feminine (and unlikely to be reduced to a masculine nickname), at least two syllables and possibly three (and unlikely to be automatically shortened), can’t start with J, and maybe shouldn’t be too popular, either.

I’m going to suggest that you might want to overlook the popularity issue.

Popularity isn’t what it used to be. In the 1950s or so, around 25 out of every 100 boys born would receive a Top Ten name. 3 or 4 them would be Michael. The numbers were always lower for girls – more like 18 out of every 100 girls born received a Top Ten name, with lots of Marys, Susans, and Lindas.

The numbers as of 2019 are far lower – less than 10 out of every 100 boys or girls receive a Top Ten name. And even the most popular names – Liam and Noah, Olivia and Emma – aren’t nearly as commonly used.

Now, if you’re ruling out Isabelle and Charlotte because they’re the names of your neighbors’ daughters, or your best friend from college? That’s one thing. And if you personally feel like the names just don’t appeal to you, in part because they’re so familiar? That’s fine, too.

But if you’re only ruling out popular names because you feel like you should?

That’s almost certainly a mistake. Popular names catch on for good reasons.

All of that said, let’s see if we can find some traditional girl names that feel like they could be comfortably used sans nickname – and aren’t in the current Top 25.


CAMILLE (#258)

If Cam is a favorite for a boy, would Camille appeal for a daughter? Camila ranks #15, but Camille sounds just a little different, and is less common – but every bit as familiar.


Charlotte is, of course, a feminine form of Charles, sharing the Charlie nickname. Caroline is also related, but I’ve yet to meet a Caroline called Charlie. (Though I’m sure there’s one out there.) And while plenty of Caroline became Carries back in the day, today they tend to use their names in full.

DIANA (#212)

Princess Di and Wonder Woman come to mind, but of course Diana started out as a Roman goddess, associated with the moon and the hunt. It’s a feminine, romantic name but one with plenty of strength, too.


A traditional French favorite, Genevieve can easily be shortened, but often is not. And Katherine and Genevieve sound very much like sisters.


On paper, Eleanor might be slightly more popular than you like. But, unlike the evergreen Elizabeth, I tend to hear Eleanor used in full – even for children. (Though this varies, and Ellie is an obvious nickname option.)

MARGOT (#304)

Margaret does tend to be nicknamed – though I can think of at least one who always answers to Margaret in full. But Margot – originally a diminutive – has long since graduated to independent name status.

MARIE (#649)

Always a middle name, never a first. Or rarely a first. Marie is refreshing as a given name – instantly recognized, easy to say and spell, but so much rarer than we’d ever guess.

NAOMI (#59)

Maybe Naomi isn’t a classic in the Elizabeth-Katherine class, but it is a Biblical girl’s name used across the millennia. I feels like a great fit with Jonathan and Katherine.

ROSALIE (#208)

Rose names range from the familiar to the rare. I think Rosalie hits the middle ground exactly.

VIVIAN (#96)

There’s another way to think about Katherine. Yes, it’s classic. But it’s also tailored and strong. Vivian might be less of a long-standing traditional, but it has history of its own. And it does feel like it stands up to all the strength of sister Katherine’s name.

My favorite for you is probably Eleanor. It feels like the obvious choice! And yet, I’m tempted by every name on this list, from the slightly surprising Naomi to the why-don’t-we-hear-it-more-Marie.

Readers, help us out! What would you name a sister for Katherine and Jonathan – nickname-proof and traditional, please!

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  1. I love Naomi and Rosalie from Abby’s list, and I also second Meredith, Veronica, Eliza, Cecilia, Victoria and Rachel from the comments!

  2. I like the suggestion of Caroline from Abby’s list.

    I was wondering about Rachel? Same classic status as Katherine and Jonathan, traditionally feminine, same syllables as Katherine, and not as common as Charlotte. It is hard to nickname so those outside the family would find it non-intuitive. Inside the family, I think the nickname of Rae/Ray is an adorable option … your little ray of sunshine. I acknowledge that you’ll either love or hate the illiteration of Rachel (R-last name). I kind of dig it. I think that makes it very positively memorable and gives the name great spark.

    Katherine, Jonathan and Rachel

  3. Veronica! You seldom here it on kiddos these days, it’s long, substantial, and virtually nickname proof. It also doesn’t have an obvious masculine counterpart (maaaybe Ronni? But I don’t think that’s super obvious). Plus, you avoid sharing initials with either of her siblings.