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LOVING ALL THE SYLLABLES

Ali writes:

I’m an Alexandra who always shortened her name to Ali, and liked the contrast between my names. Naming our daughter Penelope was easy. I love all the nickname options, especially Pen (Penn?) and I found Poppy listed here, too, which I went heart-eyed for!

But somehow our girl is a Penelope. No nicknames stick, and now that she’s four, she will insist on her full name in a very stubborn, totally adorable (I think!) way.

We are overjoyed to be expecting our second, and almost certainly last, baby. We had a good list for boys from last time: Sebastian, Nathaniel, maybe Harrison (family name). But our girls’ list was pretty much Penelope, and we’re having another girl.

I do feel the pressure is off a little, because I don’t feel as much of a need to have a nickname for this daughter. I’m considering names I ruled out last time, like Savannah and Sienna, but I feel like they’re not as good as Penelope’s name.

Penelope’s middle name is Ann for my mom. This daughter’s middle name will be either Kathryn or maybe just Kay for his mom.

What we can’t have: word names! Even if they’ve been around for a while, my husband isn’t crazy about Violet or Ruby or anything like that.

Right now I’m looking at everything and nothing is sticking. Can you help with some new ideas? Long, fun, upbeat names that have nicknames or not!

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

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LONG NAMES LIKE PENELOPE

Abby replies:

Congratulations on your new daughter!

This is a fun challenge. If we talking on a consult, I’d ask you a few more questions about popularity. Penelope continues to increase in use. Is that a concern for you, in any way? It absolutely does not have to be, but knowing your feelings can help set the dial.

Instead, I’m going to suggest names from across the popularity spectrum.

But first, a few notes:

  • I love that your firstborn is all Penelope, all the time! This reminds me of something I often say to parents: our kids take ownership of their names early. Sometimes they surprise, even astonish, with their preferences. But there’s no guarantee that your Penelope won’t come home from middle school orientation a Penny … or something else entirely. This makes me think that names with nickname options are still preferable.
  • Names like Savannah and Sienna are pretty and lyrical, but they’re not quite matches for Penelope. The thing about Penelope? I can absolutely imagine it as the name of an eighteenth century daredevil, taking a flight in a hot air balloon. Or a women’s rights activist from the early twentieth century suffrage movement. Penelope blends a daring spirit with a vintage vibe. So that’s what we need to mirror for her sister’s name.

ADVENTUROUS ANTIQUES

Let’s find some names that hit the same note as Penelope: a long history of use, combined with plenty of spark.

CLEMENTINE

Sweetly old-fashioned, but with plenty of spirit, too, Clementine could be Penelope’s sister in the 1890s or today.

ELOISE

Another Top 100 choice, Eloise shares a little bit of Penelope’s sound – that great lo – but it’s a subtle detail, just enough to make these names nicely matched.

GEORGIA

Spirited and somewhere between traditional and modern, Georgia and Penelope share a sensibility.

JUNIPER

Strictly speaking, Juniper is a modern name – though Ginevra and Junipero have history in romance languages. Still, it brings to mind vintage June and has the same energy as Penelope.

MATILDA

Another old-fashioned choice that sounds like a storybook heroine. Bonus? Matilda’s many nicknames. How darling would Penny and Tillie be together? Or Nell and Millie?

ROSALIE

Like Penelope, Rosalie is enjoying a moment. My only hesitation: does the Rose part make this too name like?

TALLULAH

A recent arrival in the US Top 1000, Tallulah is where Penelope was twenty years ago – familiar, but a little bold.

VERONICA

One of those names that we all recognize, Veronica isn’t exactly a classic. But it echoes the vintage appeal of Penelope.

Overall, I keep coming back to Tallulah. Like Penelope, it could be shortened. Lulu! Lula! Tallie! But it really doesn’t need to be at all. And I love the sound of Tallulah Kay.

But if Tallulah is just too different, would you consider Rosalie? Yes, shorten it to Rosie and it’s close to Violet and other word names your husband dislikes. But somehow Rosalie feels like far more name than noun.

And I do think the most logical choice is probably Eloise. That subtle repeating LO sound, the name’s similar old-fashioned but very current style, the wealth of nicknames without an actual need to shorten the name. Bonus? Eloise Kathryn is perfection.

Readers, over to you! What would you name a sister for Penelope Ann, with the middle name Kathryn/Kay?

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21 Comments

  1. I wonder if little sister may actually be the one with a nickname, as Penelope may stumble over her name and/or give her one? Not sure how old she is, but I’ve seen that happen in the past with longer names on siblings. My eldest also firmly rejected nicknames early on, and this continues into tweenhood.

    You have so many good options to consider from Abby and the comments. I’m trying not to repeat (love Imogen, Adelaide, Lydia, Wilhemina, Calista, Tallulah), and bear in mind no word names…

    Lucia (loo-SEE-uh)
    Josephine
    Miranda
    Vivian

    All of these have super cute nicknames for big sister to use – Lulu, Jojo, Mimi, Vivi!

    Love the suggestion for Kit in the middle!

  2. Many Congratulations!!

    Penelope is beautiful!
    Some ideas that would also work with Kay.

    Anastasia and Penelope
    Elizabeth and Penelope
    River and Penelope
    Lilly and Penelope

    Happy Naming

  3. Allegra, Anastasia, Antoinette, Araminta, Beatrix, Calista, Camilla, Carlotta, Cecilia, Celeste, Celestine, Clarissa, Colette, Cordelia, Corinne, Diana, Dorothea, Eleonora, Elena, Emmeline, Eugenia, Evangeline, Evelina, Finella, Flavia, Francesca, Genevieve, Guinevere, Gwendolyn, Helena, Ianthe, Ilaria, Imogen, Ione, Isadora, Jacinta, Jacqueline, Josephine, Lucia, Marigold, Millicent, Nicolette, Octavia, Ottilie, Patricia, Philippa, Rosamund, Sandrine, Saskia, Selina, Seraphina, Susannah, Sybilla, Sylvia, Tabitha, Talia, Talitha, Tatiana, Theodora, Theodosia, Victoria, Victorine, Violetta, Wilhelmina, Xanthe,

    1. I had fun listing a lot of long, romantic names but I think I’d probably focus on the ones that sound right with Kathryn or Kay and that fit a sound pattern you like. It sounds like you like S sounds, so maybe Saskia or Seraphina or Sylvia or the more familiar Susannah? I’ve known a Celestine who went by Sally.

    2. I second Evangeline.

      My youngest is Evangeline Kathryn. Often goes by Evie (Eevee), but also lots of nn options abound.

      My dad ended up nicknaming her Evie Kate, which turned into his special name for her.

  4. Aaargh! I’ve lost my comment twice!!
    Penelope Ann & Tallulah Kay sound lovely together! Would you consider Kit as a middle name since it’s a possible nickname for Kathryn? It would make a softer name more spunky, imo. I had a great aunt Katherine who went by Kitty. What about:
    Gwendolyn Kay or Gwendolyn Kit
    Adelaide Kathryn
    Eulalie Kay or Eulalie Kit
    Genevieve Kay/Kathryn/Kit
    Congratulations on your daughter’s imminent arrival!

  5. I love all of Abby’s suggestions here except Eloise—Penelope and Eloise may have people asking if you’re a Bridgerton fan since they’re two of the most popular characters. I think Juniper is my favorite suggestion, but Georgia and Clem are close behind!

    1. OH THEY ARE!!! How could I forget that? Marisa, thank you for thinking when my brain apparently switched to off!

  6. Penelope Ann and Tallulah Kay sound perfect together! Both names are beautiful but spunky in their long form, but there are also plenty of nickname options.

    Poppy and TIlly, Penny and Lula.

  7. Hi! I love this style of name. I think you could also go with another Greek name & I am not including “C” names b/c I am not sure a “C” name with Kathryn or Kay works well. Here are my favorites:
    Anastasia
    Ariadne
    Ophelia
    Olympia
    Evangeline/a
    Lydia
    Athena
    Ione
    Delia
    Thalia
    Ianthe
    Philomena
    Magdalena
    Daria

    Non-Greek: Francesca

    My picks would be Anastasia and Thalia. I think Anastasia is my favorite.

    Best wishes!