Name Help: Brother for Noah and AvaName Help is a series at Appellation Mountain. Every week, one reader’s name questions will be discussed.

We’re relying on thoughtful comments from the community to help expectant parents narrow down their name decisions. Thank you in advance for sharing your insight!

Zoe writes:

Hi, I came across your fabulous website searching for baby names and thought I’d reach out to you. I am pregnant with twins, a boy, and a girl. And we cannot agree on a name for our boy!

We already have a two year old named Noah John, and we are thinking Ava Grace for our daughter.

My father recently passed away at Christmas, so we want to use the middle name Kenneth in his memory.

When I close my eyes and try to think of a name I picture something outdoorsy and a leader’s name, like if I saw it on a CV it would sound strong.

Names we are considering:

  • Archer – All three siblings would have matching end sounds. (Note: Zoe is in Australia, so Noah and Ava end with more of an ‘ar’ sound.) Plus husband isn’t a fan.
  • Beau – I like it, but my husband has a cousin named Beau.
  • James – My pick, but husband has cousin named James, so doesn’t want to use it.
  • Jed – Husband’s pick, but I don’t like it.
  • Leo – We know so many Leos!
  • Max – Another from my husband’s list. I don’t mind it, but I’m not completely sold.
  • Oliver – Too many friends with the name.
  • Theo – Same thing as Leo/Max, plus my husband isn’t a fan.

With the middle name Kenneth I don’t want the name to be too much of a mouthful. Our last name sounds like Lorry.

Would love some advice!

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

Abby replies:

Congratulations on your twins!

And I’m so sorry about the lost of your father. Using his name for your son’s middle seems like a fitting tribute.

But it does narrow the options for a first just a little more, doesn’t it?

We’re looking for something relatively mainstream that feels brief and brisk. It sounds like Leo/Max are the template. Jed is a little bit of a curveball – it sounds like other names you’re considering, but it has a whole other vibe, right?

Let’s see what we can find.

A BROTHER FOR NOAH JOHN AND AVA GRACE

CHARLIE

Would you consider Charlie? It’s a warm, approachable name and has a sort of casual-cool vibe.

FINN

If you’ve talked about Max, has Finn come up? It’s a trim, complete choice that sounds adventurous on a child, handsome on an adult.

HUGO

I think Ava and Leo would be perfect for twins. And Theo is every bit as good. But if they’re both out, maybe Hugo? It has the same bright O ending, and the same mix of traditional and upbeat appeal.

JACK

Suggesting Jack seems like a waste of time, because – well, who hasn’t considered naming their son Jack? But it’s the midpoint between James and Jed, a name with classic roots but an edgier style.

JUDE

Jed also makes me think of Jude. I like the way it shares no sounds with Noah or Ava, but sounds compatible with both.

KAI

Twenty years ago, Kai would’ve been a really different name. Today, though, it’s as familiar as Liam or Sam. We tend to consider Kai a Hawaiian name, and that’s correct. But it’s worth noting that Kai also claims roots in German and Scandi languages as a nickname for Cornelius or Nicholas, among other names.

NATE

As formal names go, Nate is very, very rare throughout the English-speaking world. Most Nates are actually Nathan or Nathaniel. But Nate – just Nate – could be the kind of brief, brisk choice you’re seeking. And I love the way Ava and Nate share a vowel sound.

REID

A surname name that fits the trend favoring short boys’ names perfectly, Reid is a smart, capable sound for a son’s name.

Overall, I’m stuck on Nate – just Nate. Nate Kenneth “Lorry” and Ava Grace “Lorry” sound good together; I like the flow of Noah, Ava, and Nate.

Besides sharing the long A sound with Ava, Nate shares a first initial with Noah. But they sound completely different, too.

Readers, over to you what would you name a brother for Noah and a twin for Ava?

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20 Comments

  1. My first thought was Leif. I like its brisk sound, brief but strong, and it’s kind of nature-adjacent if you go with the “leaf” pronunciation (although I’m partial to “layf”).

    I like Abby’s suggestions of Kai, Finn and Reid for similar reasons. Kai means “sea”, Finn is like a dolphin’s fin, and Reid sounds like reed.

    My second suggestion is Rio. It takes the sounds of Leo and Theo, plus you get the “river” meaning.

    I also wonder if you’d consider Ned. It rhymes with Jed, but feels like it fits in more with your style.

  2. My condolences on the loss of your father. It’s beautiful that you want to pass his name on to your son.

    Based on the names you like, I wonder if you’ve considered Mateo? It starts off with a similar sound to Max, it shares the long-A sound of Ava, and it has the long-O ending of Leo and Theo (also present in Zoe and Noah).

    Mateo Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Mateo

    Some other names ending in O that might fit the bill:

    Arlo Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Arlo

    Elio Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Elio

    Nico Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Nico

    Enzo Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Enzo

    And some names that might suit the strong, “leader” vibe you like:

    Levi Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Levi

    Adrian Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Adrian

    Ezra Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Ezra

    Eli Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Eli

    Damian Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Damian

    Dmitri Kenneth “Lorry”
    Noah, Ava & Dmitri

  3. Here to second the suggestions of Jude and Zane. Other ideas: Redmond, Alec, Vaughn, Calvin. Stone. Quincy.

  4. Based on Noah and Grace, are you looking for spiritual meaning names? If so, I’d go with Paxton or Felix.

  5. Thomas Kenneth “Lorry”

    Noah, Ava, and Tom (or Tommy or Toms or Tombo)

    Thomas means “twin”!

    Otherwise, Jude seems like a n ideal fit. Noah, Ava, and Jude

    Congratulations and best wishes!

  6. I’m really intrigued by this -an ending sound being close to -er in Australia.

    Xander (the high value scrabble twins!)
    Jasper
    Hunter
    Oscar
    Cooper
    Fletcher
    Meyer

    Grady
    Wyatt
    Pierce
    Knox (I like that it starts with an N sound like Noah but has a different initial)
    Elijah (matches sib -a endings but he can go by Eli!)

  7. Zane! Ava Grace and Zane Kenneth. A to Z.
    Zane is short like most names on your list but has the same vibrant energy to me as Theo, Leo, Beau, and Max.

    1. Oh, I love the idea of Ava and Zane! And I’ve known twins with A/Z names and I do always like the subtle link.

  8. I immediately thought River. River Kenneth Lorry.
    Ava and River sound lovely together, and I think go well familiarity-wise with your older son Noah as well.