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Name Help: A Sister for Beatrice and Eleanor

March 10, 2023 By appellationmountain 35 Comments

Name Help: Sister for Beatrice & EleanorName Help is a series at Appellation Mountain. Every week, one reader’s name questions will be discussed.

We’re relying on thoughtful comments from the community to help expectant parents narrow down their name decisions. Thank you in advance for sharing your insight!

Jenna writes:

I’ve always loved names, and my husband and I have always agreed easily, but with our third child it’s becoming a struggle.

We have two favorite boys’ names: Edward “Ned” and Maxwell “Max.” We also have two favorite girls’ names, which we’ve used for our daughters, Beatrice and Eleanor. We call them Bea and Ella.

All of our children have my last name as their middle name, M!ller, and share my husband’s last name, which sounds like Carrie, but is spelled differently.

Our list of maybes:

ESTHER – A friend suggested it, and much as I like it for someone else, I wonder if it sounds like we’re just trying too hard?

KATHERINE – My sister is Katelyn, and she’s sometimes Katie at home. This would be my first choice, but I’ve always felt a little awkward about it. None of our kids have family names, and I don’t want to steal my sister’s name or make it feel as though I’m singling her out for an honor. (I love my sister, but I feel like it would open questions about why we honored this sibling and not another, or not our parents, etc.)

LUCILLE – I like Lucy, but it’s not great with Carrie as a last name. Lucille feels very old lady to me, but maybe that’s wrong.

MARIA – I love the name Mary, and I really liked the idea after Downton Abbey. But Mary rhymes with our last name. My husband suggested Maria and I’m thinking about it. But does it sound too Italian/Spanish? Are there nicknames I’m not thinking of?

RUTH – Another friend suggestion, and I like it, but maybe it’s not really us?

I’m not sure if the name is on our list already and I just can’t see it, or if we need some new ideas.

Names we cannot use include Elizabeth, Julia, and Margaret, as well as names we probably wouldn’t consider, like Willow and Sloane.

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

Abby replies:

Congratulations on your new daughter!

From your current list, I was ready to push for Maria. It’s a classic, used across many countries and languages. While I know plenty of women with Latina or Italian heritage named Maria, it’s truly universal. And it can be nicknamed, to Mia, Mimi, or Mae.

Except … with your last name, I say Maria sounds-like-Carrie and it’s very close to Mariah Carey. Not unthinkably close, but probably closer than I’d like. Since this isn’t a front-runner name for you, I’d probably move on.

That leaves me thinking hard about Katherine. Would you consider calling her Kit instead? Katherine-called-Kit isn’t too close to Katelyn-sometimes-Katie at all. And it fits nicely with Bea and Ella, too.

I’m inclined to drop Esther, Lucille, and Ruth. It feels like those are names you’d like to like, but aren’t quite working.

Let’s see if we can think of some more tailored classics with easy nicknames.

ADELAIDE

There are lots of girls out there answering to Addie, but most of them are some spelling of Addison or Adeline/Adelyn. Among the crowd, Adelaide stands out. It’s a substantial name with a bright, strong sound, one that sounds just right with Beatrice and Eleanor. Shorten it to Ada, and it’s perfect with Bea and Ella, too.

CECILE

Cecilia is more popular, but the restrained, French style of Cecile seems like a better match. Either way, the nickname Ceci is an obvious, wearable option.

FRANCES

Frances is buttoned-up and lady-like; Frannie is high- spirited and all-girl.

LOUISE

I agree that Lucille isn’t my favorite, even though it seems like it ought to be just right for your family. Would you consider Louise instead? It’s every bit as traditional – probably a little more – and nickname Lou, Lula, and Lulu are all good choices. Lucy, too, could work.

MARIANNE

Maria sounds-like-Carrie might not work, but Marianne could be perfect. Nicknames are all the same – Mia, Mimi, Mae – plus maybe Anna/Anne/Annie.

MIRIAM

If Maria feels traditional, the related Miriam feels like more of an antique. The Old Testament form of Mary shortens nicely to Miri or Mimi. (Or, if you’re a fan of television series The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, possibly even Midge.)

TERESA

While there’s no question that this name is an unassailable classic, it’s surprisingly rare by 2023 standards. Nickname Tessa ranks hundreds of spaces ahead of Teresa. But that’s not bad news, really – and Tess is very much a sister name for Bea and Ella.

VIVIAN

All those sharp, sophisticated V sounds! Vivian is a timeless name, and Vivi or Viv an appealing short form.

As I look at the list, I’m stuck on Cecile – the very first name that came to mind. But I wonder if Marianne or even Miriam might be more your speed?

Readers, what would you name a sister for Beatrice “Bea” and Eleanor “Ella”?

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Comments

  1. Alyssa says

    March 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM

    My first thought was Juliette called Jules

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  2. Brittany says

    March 11, 2023 at 8:11 PM

    Annabel (nn Anna, Bella)
    Lucinda (nn Lulu, Lula)
    Liliana (nn Lily)

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  3. Arden says

    March 11, 2023 at 1:54 PM

    Consider any repeats seconding! From Abby’s list, I love Adelaide.

    Caroline
    Josephine
    Harriet
    Genevieve
    Rosalie/Rosemary or even just Rose
    Delia
    Constance
    Florence
    Susannah/Susanna
    Diana
    Julia
    Veronica
    Victoria
    Jane

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  4. Emmy says

    March 11, 2023 at 3:59 AM

    My suggestion is Audrey.
    Beatrice, Eleanor and Audrey sound like sisters.

    Other possibilities
    Ruby
    Florence
    Grace
    Mabel
    Phoebe

    Perhaps you could use Miller as the first name? Millie
    As also suggested Millicent
    Or even Amelia nn Millie

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  5. Hannah says

    March 11, 2023 at 2:31 AM

    (Unrelated to your current query: Max Carey is the name of a Baseball Hall-of-Famer! He played and managed for the Brooklyn Dodgers. He’s not exactly a household name, even among baseball fans, but if your family enjoys the sport, it could be a cool connection for a future son.)

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  6. Hannah says

    March 11, 2023 at 2:24 AM

    Oh, I just *adore* your naming style! Beatrice and Eleanor are two of my very favorite names. Feminine but not frilly, classic but not plain, traditional but not stuffy.

    Katherine is a beautiful name, and I think it’s far enough away from Katelyn. However, Katherine Carrie reminds me of Cash and Carry, which used to be the name of a big warehouse grocery chain in the U.S. They rebranded a few years ago so the old name will fade over time, and maybe you live in a region where people wouldn’t make that association in the first place.

    I love Abby’s recommendations of Adelaide (“Addie”), Frances (“Frannie”), Louise (“Lou”).

    I find it interesting that Miriam is so popular in the comments as an alternative to Maria. To me, Miriam is a more “ethnic” name than Maria: nearly every Miriam I’ve ever met is Jewish. It’s the second most popular girls’ name in Israel at the moment. If your family isn’t Jewish, it might seem like an unusual choice to some.

    A name that could combine the appeal of Mary and Katherine is Madeline or Madeleine.
    Madeleine M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Madeleine
    Bea, Ella, and Mimi

    I also love the idea of Josephine, which several other commenters mentioned. It has the same literary-historical feel as your other daughters’ names.
    Josephine M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Josephine
    Bea, Ella, and Jo

    Some other possibilities:

    Amelia M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Amelia
    Bea, Ella, and Mia

    Aurelie M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Aurelie
    Bea, Ella, and Aura

    Cassandra M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Cassandra
    Bea, Ella, and Cass

    Delphine M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Delphine
    Bea, Ella, and Dede

    Lucia M!ller Carrie (pronounced “lu-SEE-ah”)
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Matilda
    Bea, Ella, and Luce

    Matilda M!ller Carrie
    Beatrice, Eleanor, and Matilda
    Bea, Ella, and Tilda

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  7. Megan says

    March 11, 2023 at 1:52 AM

    Alice

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  8. diane says

    March 11, 2023 at 1:21 AM

    Beatrice, Eleanor and…..
    Antonia…..Bea, Ella and Annie
    Margaret…..Bea, Ella and Meg or Mae
    Margot…..Bea, Ella and Meg or Mae
    Margaux…..Bea, Ella and Meg or Mae
    Penelope…..Bea, Ella and Nellie

    Reply
  9. Sara says

    March 10, 2023 at 11:29 PM

    We have a Beatrice who was very nearly an Eleanor and our other daughter is named Charlotte. How about Alice, Violet, or Hazel?

    Reply
  10. Em says

    March 10, 2023 at 10:10 PM

    Amelie (pronounced Aah-mel-ee) (nn. Mel)

    Amelia (Mia, Lia)
    Alice (nn. Allie)
    Charlotte (Lola, Ari)

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  11. keats says

    March 10, 2023 at 9:53 PM

    My first thought was Charlotte. Beatrice, Eleanor and Charlotte.

    Then Theresa/Tess.

    My favorite Mary name is Marion. I prefer the on to an, but whatever suits! With Maid Marion and Marion Cotillard, it feels chic, strong and elegant, like your other girls.

    Anastasia ‘Carrie’ or Alexandra ‘Carrie’ are lovely. And nn of Anna or Sasha respectively work well with Bea and Ella.

    Last thought was Genevieve, nn Eve. It matches the style of your other names well.

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  12. LadyRay says

    March 10, 2023 at 9:26 PM

    MARIANNE and KATHERINE are my favorite suggestions via this post.

    I’m also going to suggest MEREDITH and I see other commenters immediately thought of this name too!

    Other recommendations?

    GWENDOLINE/GWENDOLYN — “Gwen”

    LOUISE/LOUISA — “Lou”, “Isa”, “Izzie”

    MADELEINE — “Maddie”

    Hope we’re helping and not overwhelming you!

    Best of luck! x

    Reply
  13. Erin Beth says

    March 10, 2023 at 8:07 PM

    I love the suggestion of Shakespeare names! Some of my favorite options for you:

    E,B, & Rosalind or Rosamund nn Rose
    E,B, & Virginia nn Ginger
    E,B, & Dorothea nn Dot
    E, B, & Lucinda nn Lulu
    E, B, and Philippa nn Pippa
    E,B, and Adriana
    E, B, & Mirabel
    E,B, & Lydia

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  14. Candy says

    March 10, 2023 at 7:10 PM

    Louisa
    Josephine
    Arabella

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  15. Maclary says

    March 10, 2023 at 6:49 PM

    I love your daughters’ names. I have an Eleanor of my own, and Beatrice would have been on my list if it hadn’t already been taken in my family.

    My first thought for you was Lucinda, which sounds fresher than Lucille and gives you the nn Lucy (or Cindy, Indy, Lindy …). Lucia could work too, of course.

    I also thought of Maxine, which I see has been suggested.

    How about Daria instead of Maria – Dia or Didi for short?

    Or Marcia – nn Marcy, Mia, Mimi?

    Mercedes nn Mercy, or just Mercy on its own?

    I know you said you can’t use Margaret, but perhaps another variation? One I like is Mairead (rhymes with parade) which shares sounds with Mary/Maria. I’ve seen it used with Maisie as a nn, which would be very sweet.

    I like Jacqueline for you – it shares the same rhythm (to my ears) as Katherine.

    Lydia (nn Lia or Dia) or Hannah (nn Hannie) seem like they could work as you have the also-Biblical Esther, Ruth and Mary on your list.

    Millicent nn Millie may be another possibility.

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  16. Edie says

    March 10, 2023 at 6:42 PM

    Dorothy/Dorothea
    Gwendolyn
    Miranda
    Rebecca
    Viola
    Winifred

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  17. C in DC says

    March 10, 2023 at 6:24 PM

    I feel like we should be digging through Shakespeare names here.

    Some that I think work: Marina, Miranda (Miri or Mira), Cordelia (Delia, Dilly, Del), Audrey, Celia, Imogen (Jeni or Genie), Juliet (Jet), Luciana (Lulu or CiCi or Lucia (loo-sha)), Paulina, Rosaline/Rosalina, Viola/Violet, or Silvia.

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  18. Jaclyn says

    March 10, 2023 at 5:47 PM

    I really love Miriam. It goes great with Beatrice and Eleanor. I know Julia is out but how about Juliette? Or maybe a different variation of Katherine…Katerina, Katya or Katinka?

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  19. Tessa says

    March 10, 2023 at 3:47 PM

    Maxwell made me think of Maxine! It’s beautiful and a bit spunky!

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  20. Christina Fonseca says

    March 10, 2023 at 2:51 PM

    Marian instead of Mary.
    Josephine

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  21. Kathleen Smith says

    March 10, 2023 at 1:04 PM

    How about Marie in place of Mary or Mariah?

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  22. Renee says

    March 10, 2023 at 12:05 PM

    I was coming here to say Catherine instead of Katherine. I know a little Cate and it’s always fascinated me how even though they sound the same, i never lump her in with the Kates I know. Although Kit is darling. But if it’s the whole association with your sister over anyone else, perhaps it’s just not the right name.

    I thought of Rosemary (or Rosemarie)! Rosemary Carrie is still a bit rhyming but in a charming way (to my ear.) Rosie, Bea & Ella is the sweetest set. Marigold likewise could work with nickname Goldie! But maybe the possibility of Mary Carrie is just not in your cards.

    I know a 7 year old Lucille who is Lu, never Lucy, and it’s definitely made the name feel fresh to me. Though Louise is also amazing for you.

    I do really like Meredith for you. With M1ller in the middle, Mimi is a natural nickname. Or Mer, Edie, Red… Josephine, Theresa, Vivian, Felicity are also pretty sweet.

    How about Genevieve – it kinda gives a nod to you, but you could call her Neve or Nevie or Evie? Ooh or Imogen! Little Mo or Immy…

    Other longer names that I’d love to see in your set:

    Dolores – Dolly, Lolly
    Penelope – Penny, Poppy
    Tallulah – Lulu

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  23. Another Emily says

    March 10, 2023 at 11:31 AM

    Vote for Miriam here!

    Also Susannah, Anne-Marie, or Cordelia

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  24. Istas says

    March 10, 2023 at 11:26 AM

    Meredith
    Antonia
    Estelle
    Irene
    Theodora
    Zelda

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  25. Julia says

    March 10, 2023 at 10:20 AM

    Harriet with nickname Hattie.

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  26. L. says

    March 10, 2023 at 10:19 AM

    Meredith, Meredith, Meredith!!!

    This name aligns with your preferred style if names and is great with Beatrice and Eleanor. You could also use Mary, a name that you love, as a nickname.

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  27. Andrea says

    March 10, 2023 at 10:05 AM

    And one more — Constance. I think this one could be nicknamed Cici or Coco or Tani, etc., if Connie doesn’t suit. The names ending in -nce might go pretty nicely with her big sister. I also like Francie as a nickname for a Frances or Francine, a la the girl in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

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  28. Andrea says

    March 10, 2023 at 9:59 AM

    Also some of the French ette names that are probably coming back in style — Antoinette, Claudette, Georgette
    Others: Bettina, Blanche, Francine, Grace, Irene, Juliette, Mavis, Patricia, Susan, Therese, Yvette, Yvonne

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  29. Andrea says

    March 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM

    Adele
    Alberta, Albertine — Birdie
    Alethea, Althea
    Alice
    Annalise, Anneliese — Annie
    Anne, Annette — Annie
    Anthea
    Antonella, Antonia
    Barbara — Barra, Basha, Bobbie, Varya, etc.
    Bernadette — Birdie
    Caroline
    Christabel
    Christine — Kit
    Clementine
    Colette
    Cora
    Coralie
    Cynthia — Cindy, Sia, Thea
    Deborah — Bo was suggested as a nickname for this on this blog if you dislike Debbie
    Deirdre — Dee, Didi
    Delia
    Edith
    Edwina — Wynn as a nickname if pronounced like Edwin with an a on the end
    Emmeline — Emmy
    Felicity
    Florence — nickname Flora or Florrie
    Genevieve — Evie, Jenny
    Georgia or Georgiana — Georgie, Gia, Giana, Gigi
    Ginevra
    Harriet — Hallie, Hattie, Hetty
    Hazel
    Helen, Helena, Helene
    Henrietta, Henriette — Etta, Hallie, Hattie, Hetty, Henny
    Isadora — Izzy or Dora
    Jane
    Joan
    Josephine — Josie
    Judith — Dita, Jude, Judy
    June
    Katerina — Katya
    Kathleen — Kit
    Lena
    Lorraine — Raine
    Mabel
    Marian
    Marta, Martha — Marty, Mattie, Muffy, Patty
    Matilda — Tillie
    Mirabelle Belle, Mira, Miri
    Olive
    Ottilie — Tillie
    Philippa — Pippa
    Rosa, Rosabel, Rosalba, Rosalind, Rosamund, Rosanna, Rose, Rosemary — Rosa or Rosie
    Susannah
    Rowena
    Vera
    Verity
    Victoria, Victorine — Tori, Toria, Thora, Vicky, Vita
    Virginia — Gigi, Ginger, Ginny
    Wilhelmina or Willemina — Willa, Mina, Minka, Minnie

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  30. Iris says

    March 10, 2023 at 8:35 AM

    Madeline nn Maddie or Mae
    Rosalie nn Rose

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  31. Patricia says

    March 10, 2023 at 8:19 AM

    Congratulations! And your daughters have beautiful names.

    What if you spell Katherine with a C? Catharine or Catherine Nn Cate/Kit/Rin seems different enough than Katelyn.

    Maxine seems to fit right in, however you’d have to part with a future Maxwell.

    I also love Abbys suggestion of Adalaide “Ada”, Louise, and Frances.

    Reply
    • Patricia says

      March 10, 2023 at 8:21 AM

      I forgot to add-
      Colette NN Etta or Cole

      Reply
  32. Marisa says

    March 10, 2023 at 7:47 AM

    Sabine
    Clementine
    Rosalind
    Virginia

    Reply
  33. LilySong says

    March 10, 2023 at 7:41 AM

    My first thought was Adelaide. I love it! Beatrice, Eleanor & Adelaide
    Other ideas:
    Josephine, Susanna(h) , Felicity, Georgina

    Reply
  34. Janelle says

    March 10, 2023 at 7:39 AM

    Lillian comes to mind

    Reply

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