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NAMING A SIBLING FOR BIRDIE
Nicole writes:
We named our daughter Eleanor Wren thinking we might call her Ellie, but also believing we weren’t really nickname people.
Turns out we were wrong. Within a few weeks, we were calling our daughter Birdie. She is now turning three and everyone calls her Birdie. It’s the name tag on her cubby/coat hook at daycare even.
We’ve talked about possibly legally changing her name to Birdie Eleanor or Wren Eleanor or something in the future.
Right now, we’re focused on what to name her sister or brother, due in January. We feel very undecided about how to handle the name/nickname situation.
For Birdie, our boy name list was very traditional – Henry, Charles/Charlie, James. My ideas have changed a lot and now we’re considering Arlo, Miles, or maybe Charlie, but not Charles. I feel like these names would go with Birdie, but also with Eleanor/Ellie if she changes her mind about her nickname in a few years.
We didn’t really have a runner-up name for Birdie, and I think this is where I feel the most conflicted. Our list so far is:
- Katherine called Kit/Kitty – Sort of the obvious choice, but I feel like Birdie and Kitty are too similar, and maybe it’s kind of forced
- Millicent called Millie – So I always liked Millie but didn’t like any of the longer names for it, and I think that’s still true, though Millicent has grown on me. Another issue is that Ellie and Millie are very similar if Birdie ever changes her mind
- Scout – I like this in theory, but I’m not sure it’s enough of a name
- Sadie – Same as Scout, but I really like it with Birdie, but there’s not really a full name I like for Sadie, including Sarah which might be traditional but seems awkward
- Lula – Found this on a random list and fell in love. I like how it’s a nickname, but just like Birdie, it still works as a full name, too
I’d say that Lula is my top name for a girl and Arlo for a boy. I feel pretty settled with Arlo but very undecided on Lula. My husband is very laid back about this and tends to warm up to any name I suggest, but not always immediately so I don’t want to leave this decision for too late. Like he really likes Arlo now but thought it was too different when I first mentioned it.
Please read on for my reply and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

FINDING NAMES TO MATCH BIRDIE
Abby replies:
Congratulations on your new baby!
It’s funny how we assume we’re not really nickname people, maybe based on our own experience. But then we’re holding our sweet little baby in our arms and suddenly everything changes.
There’s no right or wrong approach to naming your second child, but it is that rare parenting experience that gets harder and harder as our families grow.
Of course we want to be fair! But that would require being able to see the future, and understand how our children will react to their given names ten, fifteen, or more years from now.
Since that’s not possible, here’s what I’d suggest:
- First, focus on choosing the name you love. It will match because it’s the name you and your husband choose at this moment, for this specific child, in your very specific family.
- See if you can find a name where both the nickname and formal name appeal to you – especially for a daughter. It sounds like you’re truly drawn to casual choices like Millie and Lula, but would prefer to find a more obvious nickname/formal name pairing this time.
- Be open to serendipity – just like you were with your firstborn’s name. And, of course, know that if your child arrives and you end up using a completely different nickname or never shortening their name or any other surprising outcome? It will still be absolutely fine.
That said, let’s see if we can find some new ideas that give you a Birdie-compatible short form paired with a more obvious longer version … or maybe a feminine equivalent of Arlo? Either way, they have to be a solid sibling for Birdie.
FRESH SUGGESTIONS: NICKNAME-PLUS-FORMAL NAME
CHARLOTTE called CHARLIE
If you love the nickname Charlie, would you consider Charlotte called Charlie? Yes, it’s a very popular, Top Ten name. But Charlie is sparky and fun, a sister for Birdie. And yet, it’s an obvious first/nickname combination, too.
GRACE called GRACIE
As tailored as Wren, but with a sweet, affectionate short form, too.
JOSEPHINE called JOSIE
Josephine offers lots of nickname options, but Josie is the 21st century default.
LOUISA/LOUISE called LULA
I almost suggested Eloise called Lula … but two names that could potentially shorten to Ellie is a recipe for a different kind of problem. But Louisa and Louise are both obvious paths to Lula that might be just the right amount of formal name.
MARGARET called MAISIE
Or Maggie or Daisy or Meg or … you get the idea. Margaret is another nickname-rich possibility, but I think Maisie best matches the energy of a sibling for Birdie, as well as Sadie and Millie.
ROSEMARY called ROMY
A personal favorite of mine, and one that I think might work really well for your family, too. Romy splits the difference between retro Kitty and modern Scout. It’s unexpected, but just on the right side of familiar. As a sibling for Birdie, Romy feels sweet and surprising, too.
FRESH SUGGESTIONS: SOMETHING LIKE ARLO
BLAIR
I wonder if you’d like something that’s a little more tailored? Blair is closer to Wren, but I like the way Blair and Birdie share an initial.
BRIAR
For another B name, nature name Briar might appeal.
ESME
Vintage Esme is at peak popularity in recent years. I think it’s the feminine equivalent of Arlo – rooted in history, brief and complete, distinctive in sound.
MARGOT
A rising favorite, Margot might be the perfect compromise if you’re looking for a nickname-proof first that feels vintage.
SYLVIE
I suggest Sylvie a lot, but it’s a problem-solver of a name. There’s a lot of sound in just two syllables, and it manages to be casual but also complete.
ZARA
I wonder if Zara might appeal? It’s a two-syllable, ends-with-a name in the key of Emma or Ella, but that zippy Z makes it feel distinctive and memorable.
Overall, I’m most drawn to a name like Louise Blair, called Lula. I love the way it parallels Eleanor Wren called Birdie. But I’m also going to vote for Esme. It works if you don’t change your daughter’s legal name: Eleanor and Esme. But it sounds like a sister for Birdie, too, doesn’t it? I wonder if something like Esme Briar would appeal?




I haven’t seen Lucinda mentioned as a potential long form for Lula. Reminds me a little of both Millicent and Sadie from your list, and sounds lovely beside Eleanor.
I think Lula is perfect on it’s own. I know sisters who are Lulu and Bailey, and no one thinks about the style difference. My sister had a nn, and I didn’t.
Tallulah would shorten to Lula if you really want a formal name.
If you plan for this to be your last child, would Charlotte nn Arlo or Arlie appeal?
Louise / Louisa could give you Scout as well as Lula, based on Jean Louise “Scout” Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird – might be nice to have scope to see which nickname stuck. You could even go for something like Louisa Finch if you really wanted to get to the Scout association while also mirroring Birdie’s type-of-bird middle!
My sister is named Eleanor! It’s a beautiful name. And I have a cousin named Katherine, called Kitty. My advice would be to focus on a first name you love, like Eleanor. Then you can either choose a nickname or see if one arises. I like Lula for you a lot, and Abby’s suggestion of Sylvie. Other ideas:
– Eden “Edie”. Birdie and Eden. Birdie and Edie. Eleanor and Eden.
-Tallulah “Lula”. Birdie and Tallulah. Birdie and Lula. Eleanor and Tallulah.
-Scarlett “Scout. Birdie and Scarlett. Birdie and Scout. Eleanor and Scarlett.
-Jean “Scout” (Inspired by To Kill A Mockingbird). Birdie and Jean. Birdie and Scout. Eleanor and Jean.
-Louise “Scout” (Inspired by To Kill A Mockingbird). Birdie and Louise. Birdie and Scout. Eleanor and Louise.
-Marigold “Goldie”. Birdie and Marigold. Birdie and Goldie. Eleanor and Marigold.
-Sienna “Sunny”. Birdie and Sienna. Birdie and Sunny. Eleanor and Sienna.
-Susannah “Sunny”. Birdie and Susannah. Birdie and Sunny. Eleanor and Susannah.
-Penelope “Poppy”. Birdie and Penelope. Birdie and Poppy. Eleanor and Penelope.
-Adelaide “Della”. Birdie and Adelaide. Birdie and Della. Eleanor and Adelaide.
Best of luck and sorry for any repeats!
Eleanor Wren nn Birdie is just so good, especially knowing it was organic. No wonder you’re feeling pressured this time around.
I really like the suggestions of: Charles nn Arlo, Arthur nn Bear, Juliet nn Jet, Dorothy nn Dot.
I think it you love Lula and Arlo, those are the names, the only thing you need to do is decide whether Eleanor Wren will stay her on-paper name. If it’s a yes, then I’d choose Tallulah and Charles. If it’s she’ll be Birdie Eleanor, I’d just go with Lula and Arlo.
Some other options:
Amelie nn Milly (instead of Millicent)
Adelaide nn Lady
Genevieve nn Viv or Neve (NEEV)
Caroline nn Coco
Wilhemina nn Minnie
June nn Junebug (w a longer middle like Katherine or maybe Nicolette for you!)
Henrietta nn Hattie or Etta?
Eleanor “Birdie” & Henrietta “Hattie”
Charles “Arlo” would be fantastic for a brother!
For a sister, do you like Kick (as in Kick Kennedy) for Katherine instead of Kit or Kitty?
I think Sadie or Zadie could totally work for Alexandra
Or how about Posey for Josephine instead of Josie
Lula for Lucille or Louise
Dorothy called Dot
Etta for Margaret, or Maisie or Daisy for Margaret! Maisie or Daisy feels very similar to Sadie
Izzy for Felicity
Hallie for Harriet
Good luck and congratulations!
Aurelia nn Goldie
Marigold nn Goldie
Tallulah nn Lula
Amelia nn Millie
Camille nn Millie
Juliet nn Jet
Isabel nn Belle
Georgia nn Gigi
Finnian nn Finn
Benjamin nn Benji
Magnus nn Gus
Oscar nn Ozzy
Arthur nn Bear
Maxwell nn Max
Oliver nn Ollie
Lionel nn Leo
Louisa nn Lula was my first solid thought. Eleanor & Louisa sound so polished & sophisticated together but Birdie and Lula are fun and spunky. I’m a big fan of keeping the full name for versatility later in life… as a person who went by Susie as a child but didn’t feel that was suitable as I got older.
Other options:
Annika nn Annie
Lucia nn Lula (if Louisa doesn’t appeal)
Marguerite nn Daisy (if Margaret doesn’t appeal)
Margaret nn Daisy
Charlotte nn Lottie
Molly
Dorothy nn Dot
Gwendolyn nn Wendy
Lacey
Estelle or Esther nn Essie
Marigold nn Goldie
Etta could be a nn for any name that ends in -etta
Isadora nn Dora
Flora nn Blossom
Roxana nn Roxie