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THEY HAVE A GREAT SHORT LIST
Jessie writes:
After weeks of discussion, my husband and I have agreed on five possible names for our daughter. I think any of them would be a good choice, but going from five to one is starting to feel practically impossible.
Some days I wake up and think that I like Elowen best, but then later that same day, it will be a different name.
We want her name to be pretty and feminine. (I’m Jessie, not Jessica, and I wish I had a longer name, and disliked having to explain I wasn’t Jesse/a boy.) Nickname/flexible options would be great, as long as we like both names. And because our last name is very common, ideally her first name will be unusual, without being weird. (Our last name sounds like Looper with a C.)
These are the names we agree on:
- Elowen – I like that it’s pretty but not too fussy, and I love the way it shortens to Ellie. We both like this spelling better, though I know that Elowyn is more popular right now. Some people haven’t known the name when it’s come up, but we haven’t gotten any negative reactions. Still I do worry this might cross a line.
- Loretta – Love how vintage this one sounds! I feel like it’s maybe a little southern or western, which reflects my husband’s roots in Texas. (Though we live in the Northeast.) We’d probably call her Lottie or Lettie/Letty.
- Bellamy – I know it’s a different style than Loretta, but I like the way it has sounds from Isabelle, which I like but is too popular. We’d call her Bella/Belle.
- Persephone – Such a big name! Penelope might be on the list, but we know a bunch of Penelopes (nothing too close, but in our extend friends circle) so Persephone is an alternative that I like even better. Struggling a little with nicknames. Persie/Percy? Sephie?
- Tallulah – The newest name on my list. Seems like everyone likes this name, but it’s still really different. I might like it even better for nicknames Lulu/Lou/Lula more than even the name itself.
For a middle name, we were really thinking about Eve because we got married on New Year’s Eve and because my husband’s grandma was Evie/Evelyne. But maybe it’s too short? I still think it’s our first choice.
Can you/your readers help us choose a favorite? I’m not sure more names will help because no matter how many lists we look at it, it seems like these are the five we keep coming back to every time.
Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.
CHOOSING THE RIGHT UNCOMMON NAME FOR A DAUGHTER
Abby replies:
Congratulations on your new daughter!
It’s always tough to come up with ways to evaluate names at this point – when they’re all great, and more than satisfy your basic criteria, and you can imagine being happy with any of them.
There is one quality that leaps out at me, though: you would like your daughter’s name to have an easy, obvious nickname.
And it seems like that nickname should be:
- Something she might choose to use in everyday life.
- Easily spelled and pronounced.
- Clearly feminine – or at least not likely to make others assume it’s a boy’s name.
Also, the nickname can be far more popular than your daughter’s given name, right?
So if we begin backward, and rate the nicknames? I think that actually might bring some clarity.
RATING A SHORT LIST BASED ON POTENTIAL NICKNAMES
In 5th place: PERSEPHONE
I would never put Persephone in fifth place. It’s a great uncommon name for a daughter. Except … I do think the nickname question is a bit tricky. Persie sounds just like Percy Jackson, a fictional character that’s been a staple throughout the 21st century. (The books are bestsellers. And while the movie wasn’t a hit, the Disney+ series is going strong.) So Persie might be a spelling headache and a little bit of the same issues you’ve encountered as a Jessie. Sephie works, but isn’t as easy as some other formal name/nickname pairings on your list.
In 4th place: BELLAMY
This is slightly more of a unisex given name to begin with, so that informs my thinking. Though Bella/Belle is terribly pretty – it’s even in the name’s meaning, after all. And it’s easy to wear, so maybe I’m ranking Bellamy too far down on the list? I do really love Bellamy Eve with your surname.
In 3rd place: LORETTA
The way that this name speaks to your husband’s roots lifted it to 3rd place for me. Also, I think Lottie is a logical nickname that feels very current.
In 2nd place: ELOWEN
Maybe I’m too swayed by the fact that you specifically mentioned Elowen as a frequent favorite, but I think that’s what clinches this name for me. Ellie is such an easy, breezy short form and it’s a delightful surprise to hear it’s from Elowen, rather than the more popular Eleanor or Elizabeth.
In 1st place: TALLULAH
I think Tallulah might be the best of all possible worlds. Lulu is sweet and sparky and it’s easy to imagine a child shifting between Lulu and Tallulah with ease. It’s clearly feminine and pretty, but maybe less elaborate than some choices. It’s an uncommon name for a daughter, but not so different that others won’t recognize it. I do think you might have to spell it more often than you might expect.
It’s funny … I ranked these, then came back to proofread my remarks. And I kind of wanted to shift a bunch of names up or down a spot! I think the reality is that they’re all rated 4.95 stars, give or take a fraction of a point. All great, uncommon names for a daughter, with compelling nickname options.
Besides seeing readers’ reactions, which I’m sure will be helpful, I wonder if it’s worth pulling a name out of a hat. (Or rolling a die, maybe? If you roll a 6, I’d say that means roll again.) How do you feel about a name that fate chooses for you?
Because I don’t think you can really go wrong here! But for the moment, I’m sticking with my vote for Tallulah “Lulu” Eve.
I agree with Abby that Bellamy and Persephone don’t seem quite right. But if you like Tallulah more for the nicknames, maybe that isn’t right either. You could use Lou or Lulu as a nickname for Loretta, or use Lola for Loretta or Elowen. I love Ellie for Elowen but Lola might be the best of all worlds! Overall, my vote goes to Elowen Eve (C)ooper, because Elowen seems like a name you love, and it seems like it fits all the criteria. But Loretta is great, too! I don’t think you can go wrong with either.
I think Posey and Poppy could also be unexpected short forms for Persephone. Also maybe Fifi. I love Elowen but I see it hitting the top 10 within the next few years because I see it on so many baby name lists recently. Bellamy too. My favorite is Persephone but I really like all of them
M, that’s a really good suggestion – Loretta called Lola might be perfect!
What if you called Elowen Lola instead of Ellie? That feels like a compromise between Elowen and Tallulah “Lula”. Elowen Eve “Lola” is gorgeous! Lola (C)ooper!
Oh, that’s a really good thought!
They’re all wonderful names, but I do think that Elowen Eve C–ooper is just stunning. And I love the nickname Ellie even if it is somewhat popular.
I love the sound of Bellamy Eve (L)ooper, nickname Bella. Even if Bellamy is a more unisex option, with the full name and Belle/Bella nickname it sounds pretty and feminine. You could also use Ella/Ellie for Bellamy.
Elowen Eve and Loretta Eve are in close second place both with plenty of nickname options! (Elle, Ellie, Lola, even Winnie for Elowen; Lola, Etta, Lettie, Lottie for Loretta).
Now in the middle of writing this, I think if the nickname Lola appeals to you I’d vote for Loretta Eve (L)ooper called Lola!
(Also, Eve sounds good with all of your names so I would keep it for a middle with any!)
I love Persephone Eve. I think it is beautiful. A nickname might just arise naturally. My name is Cristina and my nickname is Nina – my sister couldn’t pronounce my full name when she was very little & that was what she said & it has stuck for friends & family. I think Sephie & Perse are sweet nicknames and I don’t think her peers will necessarily think of Percy Jackson. Anyway…best wishes!!
I felt the same way for my second baby. I ended up bringing my list of 5 names to his birth & waiting to see what he looked like. In the end, he looked like the middle name we had picked, (a family honour name) so we named him that & gave him a middle name I’d never have used up front. It suits him & my father-in-law was very pleased… although, at the time in my post-birth fog, I had forgotten it was an honour name. Haha
As for nicknames, my other 2 children have nicknames we made up, loosely based on their given name, but not what people expect. Although we have to explain it & spell it the first time, everyone remembers & uses that -to the point where most people don’t know my oldest son’s actual given name. All that to say, if you want to use Persephone, nn Penny, or Poppy, go for it. It doesn’t have to make sense to the rest of the world.
My favourites from your list are Elowen & Talullah. They are both absolutely gorgeous names! I would use Winnie as a nn for Elowen though since there are so many Ellie’s out there!
Maybe this won’t help with narrowing things down, but I don’t see why you couldn’t use Lou/Lula/Lulu or even Lola as nicknames for Elowen or Loretta, as well as Tallulah.
I don’t think you can choose wrong, but I can weigh in for Eve as a middle name because it’s my middle name. And frankly, I love having Eve as a middle. It’s surprisingly unexpected (No one Ever guesses correctly) but it is always met with positive reactions and it flows really well with a lot of names.
Loretta has always been my favourite.
Possible nicknames – Lottie, Letty, Lori, Laura, Retta.
I love Persephone. There’s potential for lots nicknames although some might be stretching the relationship.
But here are a few nickname suggestions for Persephone:
Essie
Pen or Penny
Saffie/Saffi/Saffy
Effie
Fen
Ren
Poppy