Name Help is a series at Appellation Mountain. Every Saturday, one reader’s name questions will be discussed.
We’re relying on thoughtful comments from the community to help expectant parents narrow down their name decisions. Thank you in advance for sharing your insight!
We are searching for a name for our second daughter. We had a short list for her sister, Vivienne Rose, and ultimately made our choice because it is a family name, and we loved Vivi.
We are struggling to come up with a short list this time! All the options we had instead of Vivienne just don’t seem as fresh, and right now, my husband and I do not agree on any.
We are open to any and all suggestions!
Please read on for my thoughts, and please leave your ideas in the comments!
Hi Carolyn –
Congratulations on your new daughter! It’s funny – sometimes a family’s original shortlist is still going strong four kids later. For other families, it’s almost as if the unused names belong to that first child, every bit as much as the name they finally chose. As with so many things in parents, there’s no right answer.
Here’s what I think you’re looking for:
- A longer, elegant name for a girl with a short, spunky nickname
- Ideally, a name with family ties – while we can’t know, it’s a bonus if one of our suggestions connects to your history
- Something that isn’t too close to Vivienne – though exactly how different you’d like the name to be is a matter for discussion
- Lastly, nothing that’s too different, but nothing that’s too popular, either
Genevieve – This name only works if you’re determined to shorten Genevieve to Gen or Genna or Gigi instead of Evie or Vivi. Otherwise, the two names are just too close. But overall, Vivienne and Genevieve are really quite lovely – French, feminine, vintage in style, but on trend for 2016. At #210 in 2014, Genevieve is slightly more popular than #249 Vivienne – but unlike Vivienne and Vivian, there are no alternative spellings to make the name seem even more popular.
Josephine – I feel like this one must have come up in your conversation! It’s just as sweetly French as Vivienne, with nicknames galore. Vivi and Jo, Vivi and Josie, Vivi and Posy … the list goes on. Plus, Josephine and Vivienne are close, but definitely not too close. At #147, Josephine is more popular than Vivienne, but still not too common.
Delphine – Let’s stick with the French theme, but look for something less familiar. Delphine does not appear in the current US Top 1000, which makes it fairly obscure. And yet, it’s a simple, straightforward name, easy to say in English. It shortens to Della or Fina, and it pairs beautifully with Vivienne.
Elisabeth – Elizabeth is such a timeless classic, and yet it’s a little too buttoned-up for many parents’ tastes. I think Elisabeth – just one letter different – can be a gorgeous alternative. It feels slightly French, just like Vivienne. As with Josephine, there’s no shortage of great nickname options. Vivienne and Elisabeth, Vivi and Betsy. Or Vivi and Liza. (Though perhaps Liza is more logical with the Elizabeth spelling?) Elisabeth ranked a relatively rare #603 in 2014.
Helena – Some parents pause when considering Helena. It’s lovely and has deep roots and a great meaning. It’s used throughout Europe. But it also has multiple pronunciations – at least three distinctly different choices. While that can cause confusion, I think Helena’s strengths make up for it. Nicknames Nell and Lena are lovely, and it feels like an underused classic. It ranked just #502 in 2014. Another bonus? If you’re hoping to have more children, you won’t feel like you’ve established a French theme in the way you might if you choose Delphine.
Juliet – Another romantic name with a tailored vibe, though the frillier Juliette spelling is actually more popular in the US. (The -ette spelling was #255 and gaining, versus the -et spelling, which was #257 and falling.) Either spelling seems like a great possibility for Vivienne’s sister.
Eloise – Eloise has French roots, but somehow feels like less of an import than Genevieve. Maybe it’s because of the name’s fun and unexpected sound, or maybe that’s because I’m forever thinking of the storybook character. Nicknames abound, from Ellie to Lola or Lolo.
Louisa – Eloise reminds me of Louise and Louisa. They’re familiar, steady names for girls – and yet a surprisingly small number of parents choose them for their daughters. As of 2014, Louisa ranked #971 – behind Frida, Mercy, and Neriah. Louise didn’t even crack the Top 1000.
Cecily – I like the idea of a different ending for your second daughter’s name, and Cecily immediately came to mind. It’s the medieval English form of Cecilia. And while Cecilia seems maybe a smidge too frilly, I kind of love Cecily as a sister name for Vivienne. It doesn’t rank in the current US Top 1000 – shocking, right!? – but it seems like a familiar, wearable choice.
Amelie – Cecily brings us to Amelie, which takes us right back where we started – French names! I think it’s a lovely, unexpected update to popular mainstays Emily and Amelia, and I’m hearing it more and more. The name ranked just #667 in 2014.
Overall, my favorites are Josephine, Helena, and Cecily. It’s hard to choose!
Now, a word on middles. I’m not sure if Rose has family ties? For a similar feel, there’s Grace, Ruth, Mae, or Hope. If you’re willing to consider something more daring, but also short, you might try Sloane, Hart, Blythe, Lux, Pax, Snow, Bright, or Blue. Since you’re expecting a winter baby, I’m particularly drawn to Lux and Bright – names that have to do with light.
Overall, I’m especially drawn to Josephine Blythe, Helena Snow, and Cecily Ruth. But there’s no shortage of possible combinations, and I know that the readers will have some great pairings and possibilities to add to the list.
Readers, can you add some names to Carolyn’s shortlist? Do any of the suggestions leap out at you as The Name for Vivienne Rose’s sister?
Athena Vanasi says
Congrats! I named my twins Oliver and Vivienne, and I think it’s a wonderful name!
Blair Marie says
what did you end up choosing? we have a Vivian Isabella and Evangeline Grace due this June with another girl
CrysDawn (pronounced Chris-Don) says
How about Julianna Hope Nick name Lia (Lee-a)? Or Evangeline Grace Nick name Van or Eli ? Or maybe AnnBella Ruth and call her Bells ?
Abby! I have two children Elisabeth Odette and Theodore Solomon who go by Elsie and Teddy!
We are expecting another little one and need help fast!
Baby is coming in two weeks.
Claudia in England.
My first thought was Margaret, nickname Margot. Sounds great with Vivienne Rose!
Other first-name suggestions: Aurora (nn. Auri or Rory), Evangeline (nn. Evan), Seraphina (nn. Sera), Penelope (nn. Penny or Nell), Eleanor/Eleanora (nn: Ellie, Nora)
I like the suggestions or Grace, Ruth, Blythe, Claire, Mae for middles. Snow is an inspired choice for a winter baby, depending on your last name…Neve (or the original spelling Niamh) would also be nice there. I would add Lynn or Linnea for consideration as a nod to Carolyn.
Now, my favorite part…combinations!
Ivy for a middle name would continue the botanical trend and is a great winter association.
Arabella (Ari or Belle)
Isadora (Izzy, Iggy or Dora)
Marguerite (Maggie or Daisy)
Phillipa (Pip, Pippa or Pippin)
Francesca (Frankie or Franny)
Lucinda (Lou, Cindy or Lucy)
Miranda (Miri or Randi)
Something simple in the middle like Grace or Mary, although Violet always seems sweet in the middle if you don’t mind another flower name.
Cordelia occurred to m, too, although I would go with Cordi or Delia for nn. Or Collette – you could go with Coco and Vivi, if that appealed.
I have a name crush on Sabrina right now as well.
Zena Eve says
LOVE Genevieve and Juliet! Other suggestions: Esmeralda, Geneva, Clara, and Esme
Clothilde nn Clo, Clio, Tillie. I don’t know why this name isn’t more popular. The sound and look are gorgeous. Lots of great nn choices.
Or just go with Clio. Muse of history. Vivienne and Clio. Vivi and Clio. Love.
Helena nn Holly or Ella or Lena. I’d go with Lena, she’s fresher, even though the sound is different than Helena, which is just such a beautiful name and goes so well with your older daughter’s name.
Last suggestion is Bernadette nn Bebe. An awesome awesome name. (Bonus if you love musical theatre).
I love Genevieve or the suggestion of Cordelia. I like Delphine, but I would use nn Phia. Cecily seems like it would reduce to nn Cici too easily, which… Vivi and Cici is too close for my taste.
Maybe consider also Vivienne and Adelaide, They share very few letters but the syllables and rhythm feel right together. Vivi and Addy would be so cute together.
Good point about Vivi/Cici or Cece …
Some people like matchy, but I would avoid any nicknames that rhyme (Deedee, Mimi) or anything that could be spelled as two letters (A.J.) with Vivi.
The Mrs. says
Oh! What about Cosima? Nickname of Mimi?
The Mrs. says
Do you like Elodie? It’s French, three syllables, and comes with the charming nicknames of Ellie and Didi.
We strongly considered the name Vivienne as well, so I thought some of our other choices might appeal:
Camilla (Millie or Mimi)
Vivienne and Beatrix are so cute. Vivi and Trixie! Love
I love the suggestion of Beatrix (nn Trixie).
I have an older daughter Vivienne (Vivi or Viv) Frances and just named my second daughter Beatrice (Bea) Leighton. My husband and I also had a hard time agreeing. At the end we were deciding between Margaret, Abigail and Beatrice. We ended up with Beatrice because we preferred the meaning – bringer of joy. I LOVE the name Josephine. I also considered Adelaide and Elosie and Louisa too – all good choices!! Good luck and congrats.
Genevieve Grace is a perfect match!
I love Abby’s suggestion of Josephine. I have a bit of a soft spot for Josephine nn Posy. I went to (Catholic) school with a Josephine nn Josie and always loved her full name. I think Vivienne Rose and Josephine Ruth would make beautiful sisters.
P.S. Viviana was in the running for my name change. I had people calling me Vivi back in middle school and some still do. So, great name choice, Carolyn!
I think the name Vivienne Rose is simply darling! Gorgeous pick!
For her sister, would you consider any of these:
Charlotte nn. Lottie or Charlie
Elliana nn. Ellie
Annelise nn. Annie
Isabelle/Isabella nn. Izzy or Bella
Cordelia nn. Cora or Lia
I think they are all lovely sister names for Vivienne (Vivi). For middles, I like Abby’s suggestions Grace, Blythe, Hope, and Ruth, and I would add Jane and Claire.