Name Help: First Name to go with middle name CharlesName Help is a series at Appellation Mountain. Every week, one reader’s name questions will be discussed.

We’re relying on thoughtful comments from the community to help expectant parents narrow down their name decisions. Thank you in advance for sharing your insight!

Abby writes:

We are expecting our first child, a boy, in March and would love your help choosing a name! If we were having a girl, her name would be Eliza (my favorite) or Violet (my husband’s favorite).

I like lots of names, while my husband is more selective. We do have some general criteria:

  • Goes with the middle name Charles, which is a family name.
  • Sounds good with our uncommon last name.
  • Does not have a “built-in” nickname, like Abigail/Abby (my name), Joseph/Joe, Matthew/Matt, etc.
  • Not super popular. My husband is a 90s Ryan and wishes his name was less common.

Here are some names on our list, but we aren’t sure are quite right:

  • Eli – Does the “eye” sound in Eli rule out using Eliza or Violet some day? And is it silly to rule out names when we don’t even know we’ll have a girl in the future?
  • Ezra – Maybe too popular? I also don’t want to rule out Eliza for a future daughter!
  • Ian – Just doesn’t quite feel like the one to either of us though we do like it.
  • Mason – I never had this one on my list before, but my husband and sister like it and it now has me thinking.
  • Miles – Not sure Miles Charles sounds right. But we do love the character Miles Morales!
  • Milo – Same concern with the “eye” sound in Eliza/Violet. My husband also doesn’t love this name quite as much as me. I don’t want to miss out on a name we both love equally!
  • Rowan – We do like this, but prefer it for a girl.
  • Theo – Don’t like how people may assume it’s short for Theodore. Also my sister’s favorite name and I don’t want to steal it!

Our last name starts with a hard G and is three syllables.

We may be overthinking here, but would love your help to feel like we have the perfect name!

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

Abby replies:

Congratulations on your new son!

Let’s begin with the big picture question: should you reject a name you like today in favor of a name you love for use in a possible future tomorrow?

It depends.

If Violet is the name of a beloved grandmother, or Eliza is the name you’ve given to every doll since you were a child? That’s a slightly different category than, say, Eliza and Violet are the top two names we came up when we first started talking about a family together.

Particularly with family names, our desire to use them will almost certainly endure.

But names we just really like right now? They’re subject to revision.

In this case, it sounds like you probably could choose a name you like every bit as much for a future child. And I don’t think the “eye” sound of Milo rules out Violet or Eliza, though I would say that Eli’s sister probably shouldn’t be Eliza.

So that’s a factor … but maybe not a deciding one.

Let’s start by looking at your current list.

A NAME FOR A FIRST SON

ELI

I’m inclined to discard it, if only because it definitively rules out Eliza. You don’t have to, of course – you could certainly name a hypothetical future daughter Violet – or something else entirely. And, of course, you might end up with a mini van full of boys.

EZRA

I can see that Ezra and Eliza are pretty close, so again, I’ll put this at the bottom of the list.

IAN

I wonder if you’re reacting to the fact that Ian has been a Top 100 name since the 1980s? It sounds exactly like your style, but it’s not particularly new or exciting.

MASON

Like Ian, Mason has been near the top of the charts for a while. Until recently, it ranked in the Top Ten. Still, I do kind of like it for you. It’s bright and strong and can’t really be shortened.

MILES

Miles Charles is okay, but I see what you mean.

MILO

I’d put Milo at the very top of your list, though if it’s not your husband’s favorite, that’s a drawback.

ROWAN

I hear you saying you prefer this name for a daughter, but I think it has potential for a son, too, so I’m not sure I want to rule it out.

THEO

This would be perfect, but I wonder about the name theft angle? Would you feel guilty? (Conversely, if your sister never has a son, will you feel like this is The Name That Got Away?)

FRESH SUGGESTIONS

CALLUM

I’m not sure this is quite the sound that appeals to you, but Callum does check a lot of boxes: it’s a complete name, unlikely to be shortened. (Okay, he could be Cal. But I don’t think it’s quite like Benjamin automatically shortened to Ben.) It’s familiar but different. And it leaves plenty of space for Violet or Eliza in the future.

EVERETT

Violet makes me think of Everett. A current name with plenty of style and a traditional sensibility, Everett ranks in the US Top 100 but isn’t wildly common.

HAYDEN

Mason and Miles make me think of Hayes, but Hayes has the same not-perfect-with-Charles issue. Would Hayden appeal? While all of the Aidens peaked a few years back, Hayden is actually still gaining in use. It sounds a little more traditional and enduring than, say, Zayden or Kaiden.

LEO

Maybe Leo is too close to Theo to really help, but I’ll suggest it anyway. Another bonus: while Theodore is more popular than Theo, leading to lots of assumptions about Theo having a formal name, Leo is most common on its own.

MICAH

The think about sibling names sharing a vowel sound is this: repeating a vowel sound is fine, as long as the rest of the name is distinct. Eliza, Violet, and Miles/Milo all share the long I and a strong L. Micah, though, only shares the vowel sound.

OWEN

If Rowan and Ian aren’t quite right, how about Owen?

RILEY

Another name that feels like it belongs on your list.

TATE, TATUM

My first thought was Tatum, but it’s easily shortened to Tate, so that gives me pause. Tate, though, could be perfect. It’s brief, complete, and current without being especially popular. It’s great with a longer surname, easily spelled and pronounced, and leaves plenty of space for girls’ names with the long eye sound, should that future ever come to pass.

Overall, from your list, I still like Milo best – but I can see it has some serious drawbacks. The same is probably true for Theo, so I think I’d have to put Mason at the top of the list.

But Mason has been very popular in recent years – not Ryan-level, by any means. But that makes me wonder if Tate, from the Fresh Suggestions list, is the better bet? I particularly like Tate Charles.

Readers, over to you! What would you suggest for a first son – nickname-resistant, not super popular, and possibly leaves space to use Violet or Eliza in the future?

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17 Comments

  1. What strikes me about your list of names is that they almost all have a long vowel sound. I like Leo the best of Abby’s suggestions. I suggest Wesley, Truman, Blaise, Blake, Deacon, Ramon/Raymond, Jacob, Jonah, Josiah, Jethro, Aaron, Peter, or Hugo.

  2. I adore the names Eliza and Violet.

    For a baby boy how about
    Evan Charles or Eliot Charles?

    Or
    Simon Charles
    Oscar Charles
    Xavier Charles

    1. Not for Abby and Ryan, by Eliot Charles made me think that Charles Eliot nn Chet would be a great combo.

  3. This is so funny…. The only Ian I know is a 7 year old Ian Charles and his 5 year old brother Miles Ezra! Ha! I wish these people had a third so we could help with more names!!

    Charles and Miles made me think of Davis… Davis Charles G…I think the difference is two syllables for the first instead of serial single syllable names with Miles Charles ..

    If you like Milo and Theo what about Marco or Matteo?

    Eli and Ezra and Mason made me think of Ethan. Ethan Charles G…

    Lastly Issac does seem to work well…. Isaac Charles G…..

  4. Lots of great suggestions. I would add Vaughan, Zeke, Raphael, and Gabriel. Or how about Evander?

    1. Back to suggest Finn. Eliza, Violet, and Finn would be an amazing subset. Or might you like Felix or Jasper?

  5. I’m in agreement with many of the previous comments. For me:
    Eli rules out Eliza, but not Violet.
    Ezra rules out Eliza , but not Violet.
    Ian seems better with Violet than Eliza
    Milo and Miles both work with Eliza and Violet. IMO, Milo and Violet pair best if Violet is pronounced with two syllables rather than three — Vi-let.
    Mason Charles reminds me of Charles Manson, but I’m a child of the sixties, so there’s that. Also, Charles starts off enough like jar that my ear almost hears Mason Jar.
    Miles Charles – The repetitive z-ending and single syllables rules out this combo for me.
    Rowan seems very unisex. I prefer Ronan for a boy, but that would also eliminate Rowan for a girl.
    Theo is great with Charles, but maybe this is a name for a future nephew.

    Additionally, you might like:
    Bennett Charles
    Calvin Charles
    Everett Charles
    Henry Charles – Henry and Violet are great, but Henry and Eliza = My Fair Lady territory.
    Hugo Charles
    Micah Charles – a great alternative to Miles and Milo, although it’s better with Violet than Eliza.
    Nathan Charles

    Best wishes to you!

  6. I LOVE the sound of Owen Charles & it pairs nicely with Eliza &/or Violet. If you wanted something even more rare, do you like Oren? My first thought for you though was Malachi. Malachi Charles G.. it doesn’t tick all your boxes though. Of the names on your list, I like Milo Charles the best. I don’t think it rules out your girls names at all.

  7. I was coming to suggest Leo instead of Theo too, and they could be super fun cousin names. Also echoing Isaac and Grady (as long as it sounds okay with the surname – maybe it could sound memorable like Miles Morales 😉

    I would definitely save your beloved Eliza and Violet sounds, at least for your next child. Maybe at that point if it’s another boy, you’ll use Eli. Ezra feels useable, and then you could decide if you want matching initials or go with Violet.

    Maybe it would help to think about brother sets to narrow your taste / choices? Right now there are some traditional and some trendy. (I agree Mason is very trendy, and gets mixed up with the Jace/Jaden/Hayden/Aiden in sound.)

    Leo & Grady
    Isaac & Everett
    Ronan & Conrad
    Quincy & Ezra
    Flynn & Dane

  8. I wouldn’t leave out Milo for the eye sound! Milo and Eliza or Milo and Violet sound good to me. I do think Eli takes Eliza off the list, but Eli and Violet still works. I had a lot of favorite boy names but had two girls. Now, even if I had a boy, my favorite boy name from when I was pregnant isn’t my favorite any more. It seems like the eye sound is really appealing to you so I’d go with Milo or Micah!

  9. Eliza and Violet are beautiful names! I would stay away from any name that’s too close to those.
    Also, Mason is very popular and it’s a nice thought to leave Theo for your sister.
    So let’s start fresh:
    Henry
    Simon (it has the I and O sounds you seem to like)
    Toby
    Ethan
    Adam
    Emmett
    Luke
    Logan
    Conrad
    Edmund
    Byron

  10. Violet and Eliza are so lovely! The strong sharp V and Z sounds make me want to suggest names like…

    Quinn, Isaac, Zane, Zachary, Xavier, Everett, Kieran, Quade, Vance, Davis

    Do you like Levi or Elliott instead of Eli?
    Brennan or Malcolm instead of Ian?
    Leo instead of Theo or Milo?
    Grant or Silas instead of Miles?
    Jace or Grady instead of Mason?
    Nolan or Jonah instead of Rowan?

    Good luck!