Name Help is a series at Appellation Mountain. Every week, one reader’s name questions will be discussed.
We’re relying on thoughtful comments from the community to help expectant parents narrow down their name decisions. Thank you in advance for sharing your insight!
Megan writes:
I’ve always loved names and became an avid follower of your page when we found out we are expecting our first child. I would love to hear your thoughts and recommendations for our baby girl.
Baby girl sounds like you-seff is due at the end of April and we are struggling to find a name we both love.
I tend to lean toward feminine, vowel-heavy names – Noa, Thea, Isla, Quinn, Luella. Amelia and Jolie are also favorites, but unfortunately cannot be used.
My husband prefers classic names that lean Biblical and were popular during our upbringing – Elizabeth, Samantha, Sarah, Julia, Katherine, Laura.
The names I enjoy are unusual and “too adventurous” for my husband’s taste, and to me, the names he likes feel plain/dated and maybe a little boring.
I’d like to be able to meet somewhere in the middle with a name that is familiar but not overly popular (not Top 10), and easily pronounced. Names that shorten to Ellie and Evie are also out due to heavy use among family and friends.
A few names we both like include Leah, Natalie, Zoe, Sophie, and Lucy – though I worry the “U” sound in Lucy may be too much with our last name.
Alternatively, we’ve also considered using names to honor family – first name Mary, for my husband’s grandmother, with middle name Louise, which is my mother’s middle name. My husband feels very strongly about using Mary, but to me, it’s just “fine” – if not a little stuffy and reads overly religious.
In order to compromise, I initially threw out the idea of using Mary Louise as a legal name, but calling our daughter Maisie or Mila.
My husband seems on board with this idea. He doesn’t “love” Maisie or Mila, but would go with it in order to solidify Mary.
I am second guessing this suggestion for several reasons:
- Am I settling now and going to regret this compromise later on?
- Are these nicknames too cutesy or will they grow with her into adulthood?
- Will I have to explain that I don’t love Mary and potentially offend his family?
If you were in our shoes, would you start fresh with a new name entirely or go with a family name? If Mary Louise is our answer, is one nickname better than the other, or is Mary itself the best choice and not as plain as I imagine it to be?
Another thought was to use Mary in the middle spot with one of the names we both like, but it’s tough to find something that flows well.
I very much appreciate any thoughts or opinions you and your readers are willing to offer.
Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.
Abby replies:
Congratulations on your daughter!
Let’s begin in the middle: naming is always a compromise. It can be incredibly frustrating, too – particularly for those of us who love names and have given the question a lot of thought over the years.
But that doesn’t spell a lifetime of name regret.
Quite the opposite! We compromise on so many things in a relationship, and with some luck and hard work, we often find that decisions jointly made are far richer than those we make on our own.
Sometimes the more conservative namer exercises veto power, and just shuts down (nearly) every suggestion from the more adventurous partner.
Happily, that’s not the dynamic you have here. You’re both suggesting and working through possibilities. You’re on the right track!
Let’s talk about the big kahuna of a compromise first.
MARY LOUISE, called MAISIE or MILA
We tend to think of Mary as classic – which is true – and everywhere – which is weirdly … not.
Mary left the US Top 100 after 2008. It’s fallen consistently, ranking #124 as of 2020. Around 2,200 girls were named Mary annually in recent years. That’s a lot … except not really when compared to over 4,000 Islas or nearly 13,000 Amelias.
You’re more likely to meet a Zoe, Natalie, or Quinn than a little Mary.
So classic Mary might be the name on your list that surprises most!
Now let’s talk about nicknames.
Names are tied to generations. I’m guessing you know – or can think of! – lots of successful, credible adult women with names like Lisa and Cindy, Jen and Michelle, Ashley and Heather. Step into a time machine and head back to, say, 1985, and those were little girl and teenager names.
Maisie and Mila are mainstream 2022 choices. That means that they’ll grow up with their generation. Sometime around 2065, it will seem perfectly reasonable to have a CEO or surgeon or president named Mila. (FWIW, there’s already Senator Mazie Hirono from Hawaii.)
Will the nickname cause problems?
Making a non-intuitive nickname stick can take some effort. That’s not a bad thing, exactly – just something to recognize and anticipate.
The good news? Classic names, like Mary, are associated with so many nicknames. I’d be surprised to hear, say, “Her name is Alaia, but we call her Lola.” But I’d never blink at “her name is Eleanor, we call her Lola.”
Mary-connected nicknames include Molly, Polly, Mitzi, Mimi, Mae, Maia, and Mamie – to name just a few. Maisie and MIla aren’t a stretch at all.
In my experience, it’s often a complete non-issue. Only transition times – starting a new school, for example, or signing up for new sport – require lots of “her name is Mary Louise, but we call her Lulu” reinforcement.
Might it bother your in-laws?
Well … yes. It might. They might wonder what you gave your daughter such a beautiful name only to never use it.
Or the might decide they like a different nickname better.
But … that’s a) completely beyond your control and b) something that could happen with any name.
If you’re wondering how to explain it? Don’t say that you loathe the name Mary. Instead explain that it’s meaningful, but it feels a little serious for your daughter. She’ll always have it as a name, but for daily use, you’ll call her the more casual Maisie.
For what it’s worth, at various historical points, Catholics considered Mary too meaningful to be used as a girl’s given name. It’s why there are dozens upon dozens of “Marian names” – names that refer to Mary, but don’t actually use the name.
In other words: you’re not alone! I know more than one Mary who has pretty much never been called Mary. Ever. (Including a world-changing woman who I met as Lulu.)
In other words: if Mary Louise called Maisie or Mila or anything else works for you and your husband? Go for it! It works so well! And it gives you both something to love – impeccable classics for him, current and cool nicknames for you.
If it isn’t obvious, I’m particularly drawn to Maisie. I’m guessing lots of people would have no problem imagining Maisie as a Mary nickname. As you probably know, it’s traditionally associated with Margaret, but that’s not top-of-mind for most people. It just sounds vintage, casual, and probably linked to something evergreen.
I also think it’s particularly great with your last name!
OTHER NAME POSSIBILITIES
Let’s explore more names that might appeal to you both.
ANNALEE
Would another classic-with-a-twist appeal? Anna is every bit as evergreen as Mary, but maybe a little more current. And Annalee (or Annika or Annalisa or any other Ann- name) feels like a potential compromise.
ELIZA
Midway between buttoned-up Elizabeth and sparky Luella, you’ll find Eliza. It’s got lots of energy, but a traditional vibe, too.
LUCIA
Lucy is a little close to you-seff. And Luella is a little unexpected. Would Lucia split the difference? It reminds me of ancient, storied Julia from his list, too.
MAE
A compromise between Mary and Maisie, a name so brief it’s modern.
NAOMI
When it comes to traditional names with Biblical roots and cool, unexpected sounds, Naomi is tough to beat. It share Natalie’s rhythm, Noa’s vowels.
ROSALIE
No one could ever call Rose anything but classic. Rosalie adds some vintage zest to that traditional charmer.
SELAH
Old Testament like Sarah, vowel forward like Isla, Selah means “pause” in Hebrew.
SYLVIE
Take Sophie, layer in ancient Sylvia, and you’ll arrive at Sylvie. It’s brief and complete, a stylish choice with a current sound.
I’m not sure any of these top Mary Louise called Maisie. Selah seems perfect, but maybe it will seem too different? I love Eliza, too, but I’m guessing maybe it’s already been considering and rejected.
That takes us back to Mary Louise called Maisie. Or, of course, one of the names you already mostly agree on. Leah feels like the obvious choice, but I can see it might be a little bit too traditional for you. Any chance Selah’s Old Testament status would take it from “out there” to possible?
I was raised Catholic and wouldn’t bat an eye Mary Louise called Maisie. It is beautiful. I feel like Mary has this special clause of tradition where basically any name starting with an “M” could be short for it no question asked. Plus Mary can be shortened to Mae and Maisie can be an elaboration of that, so it makes double sense.
I do have to agree with Renee to say that Mary DoubleBarrel feels more religious than simply Mary. Mary on its own is surprisingly refreshing and delightful. Also when looking at the popularity statistics for Mary, keep in mind that (anecdotally) around half of them primarily go by their middle names so Mary feels even more special than the numbers imply.
Also what do you think about using Maria called Ria or Mia? Those especially with nicknames are vowel heavy, and similar to Thea which is on your list.
What about the name Marion? You could use a Mary nickname. I think it is elegant and quite lovely.
One other possibility is the name Mara…same root as Mary, but with a different vibe.
I happen to agree with the person who wrote that you will probably run into more Maisie and Milas than Marys. I think a little Mary seems so interesting.
Mary Louise nn Maisie is perfection, Maisie reads as a mashup. Malle (rhymes with Halle) also works, and it’s a historical Mary nickname. Actually so does Molly. Even Marlo or Marilla, really.
Marie works as a nice middle for all the names you both like.
Eloise Marie nn Essie, Loie, Essie Marie, Essie Mae could be a cute double honor option. You could also go with a double middle for honor and her own name as her first.
If you struck any Evie names off simply for shortening to Evie, Effie works as a great substitute.
For our daughter’s non-intuitive nickname we did her birth announcement Seraphina “Sadie”, and it seemed to work.
I feel like Mary Louise, called Maisie, is pretty much perfect. Mila could work too as a nn, but I think Maisie has a certain spunk which means it works well for a more serious name like Mary Louise.
I did think of Naomi as a possible compromise name, so was glad to see Abby mention it. Madeline also came to mind as a name both you and your husband might like (and you could use Maisie as a nn, too, especially if you put Louise in the middle).
Or perhaps an elaboration on Mary, like Marissa, Mariel, Marina or Mariana could work?
I do think Mary Louise called Maisie is an amazing compromise and actually seems quite intuitive with the sounds in the given names, and even just as a nickname for Mary.
But I did want to offer some other suggestions. Sometimes looking further afield helps you love your first thoughts more, and sometimes you’ll find something else that you love.
Looking at your list, your husband’s list and your combined lists the main overlap I see is in L names : Luella, Laura, Leah, Lucy and Louise. Abby has offered Lucia, here are some others which I think strike a balance between well known/traditional and fresh.
Laurel
Lucinda
Louisa
Lydia
Added bonus, I think they all work with Mary as a middle name and with your last name.
All the best!
I love the name Mary Louise! Maisie and Mila totally work as nicknames. I’ll also throw out some standard French nicknames for Marie-Louise: Marilou, Malou, and Milou. I think they’re all adorable!
Also really love Lucia as an alternative to Lucy. Lucia “you-seff” sounds lovely to me.
I love Mary Louise called Maisie for you! It seems perfect to both honor and have a fun nickname as well as providing flexibility, and I feel that the story behind the name will help you and your daughter love it–I’ve always appreciated having a name with a story. A few other suggestions: Daria, Viola, Leona, Cecily. I don’t think any of those top Mary Louise, though.
It’s funny you consider Mary obviously religious, because I consider every double barreled Mary name even more religious (Catholic) except maybe Mary Jane. But, I really love your compromise! I think it’s a brilliant way to honour grandma, honour your husbands preference AND get to a nickname that feels fresh to you. I don’t know a single young Mary, so I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. That’s how I’d introduce it to your in-laws – you wanted to use Mary and Louise for two important women, but give her her own name too. Can they really argue with that?
I don’t think Maisie or Mila is too cutesy at all. I agree that I think you’ll find your daughter surrounded by girls with names different from your generation. Plus, she always has Mary Louise (or just Mary or Louise) to go back to at any point. I honestly think you’ll meet more Maisies and Milas when out, and might want to try out Mary yourself while she’s young. But the beauty of an honour name is I think you’ll be able to explain even non intuitive nicknames more easily – even Luella from your list! I’d stick your favourite (‘unusual’ / ‘adventurous’) name in the middle and maybe it’ll get some use!
Naturally my mind goes to Malou for a Mary Louise nickname, but maybe that’s too French for you.
Another thought if a Mary fronting name is giving you pause – Rosemary? Would you like a little Rosie? I think the only pause I’d have in putting both significant names in one child is future children. Do you want to save Louise / Louis for a future child? Will it be hard to top Mary Louise in another child’s name?
As a former Catholic, I agree with you on the compound Mary names. I grew up with so many Mary Katherines, Mary Claires, Mary Theresas, Mary Annes, and so on. I do think they are all really beautiful names! And Mary Louise is probably my favorite of them all.
I LOVE the idea of Mary Louise called Maisie. It’s a fun name with a classic fallback. I was loving Maisie a lot in my last pregnancy, and we settled on Maeve, one of my husband’s favorites, because of the similar vibe. So maybe that would also appeal to you.