He’s here! An update from Kalie:
We absolutely loved the suggestion of Hugo, but it wasn’t a great match with our last name when we said it out loud.
Calvin, Jonah, and Malcolm were three front runners, but they all were kind of like Emmett. We liked them, but they just didn’t feel like the name.
After reading your article, “In Defense of Nicknames: Ten Reasons to Embrace Nickname-Rich Names,” I had a brilliant idea. I went back to one of my original favorites, Ike, but pitched it as a nickname for Isaac.
Although Isaac is a little too popular for my taste, it made my husband feel much better to know he had a “classic” name to use if he chose. However, since he was born, he’s just been Ike to us.
For a middle name, we ended up going rogue and using Dad’s name, Gregory. The other family names just didn’t fit quite right in the middle slot.
Although we didn’t use a name from the post, your take on nicknames was completely eye-opening. Thank you for your help in naming our sweet Isaac Gregory. All of us, especially Phoebe, are completely in love.
Our daughter is called Phoebe Danielle, and we absolutely love her name.
The name Phoebe has withstood the test of time, but it still feels modern. It is feminine but spunky with a great meaning. It is also a blend of my more unique style with my husband’s love for classic names. Phoebe’s middle name, Danielle, is a nod toward my mother, Danita, and we liked honoring her while giving our daughter her own version.
We are so happy with the name we chose, but we are now stuck on a name for her baby brother. Dad loves Ethan and Samuel, but they’re much too popular for my taste. I love Sterling and Ike, but they’re much too unique for his taste.
He did suggest Emmett which I like, but I don’t know that either of us is in love with it. Charles, Thomas, and Peter are all family names, but the first two feel too trendy right now and I don’t think I like the repeat of the letter P with Peter. I know I’m being incredibly picky, but are there any baby boy names that strike you as unique but familiar that would be a good match for our sweet Phoebe Danielle?
Please read on for my response, and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.
Dear Kalie –
Congratulations on your son!
Let’s start with the tough part: it is possible that you won’t feel the same excitement when you name your son as you did when you named your daughter.
Struggling to name a second (or third or fourth) child is normal. It’s also worth noting that Phoebe Danielle is now the name of your actual, beloved child. Your feelings about the name are all wrapped up with your love for your daughter. So even if you don’t absolutely adore your son’s name on day one, odds are good that you’ll all grow into it together.
That doesn’t mean that his name doesn’t matter – far from it! Follow a process. Reach a good compromise. But know that sometimes a name takes a little longer to feel just right.
That’s why I think you’re on the right track with Emmett.
- Like Phoebe, it’s a long established name that is broadly familiar, but not wildly popular. It can withstand a few pop culture uses (Friends for Phoebe; The LEGO Movie for Emmett) and still feel fresh and new for your child.
- Neither name ranks in the current US Top 100, and while Emmett is closer, at #114, that’s still a far cry from Ethan and Samuel.
- It’s tough to pin Emmett to a decade. It’s more popular today than ever before, but I wouldn’t be surprised to meet a grandpa Emmett or an adult by the name. The same is true for Phoebe, a name that peaked in the nineteenth century but has remained in use since then.
Let’s look for names in the same general category as Emmett – traditional-ish, but somewhere between the oh-so-common Samuel (ranked #21 in the US in 2018) and the out-there Ike (not in the current US Top 1000).
I actually think Peter might work perfectly. But I can see that Phoebe and Peter locks you into a pattern that might have you pondering Priscilla and Percival for future children. So, moving on.
Would you consider:
Boone – It reminds me of Ike from your list. It’s a surname, not often heard as a given name until recently – and yet, the ties to frontiersman Daniel Boone make this name feel slightly traditional. Current US popularity rank: #669.
Calvin – Calvin has been around forever, and Cal is a seriously cool nickname. Plus we’re all about the letter v lately. I think it’s very much in the same category as Emmett, a little cooler than classic Thomas, but a little more familiar than Sterling. Current US popularity rank: #143.
Hugo – I feel like I suggest Hugo all. the. time. lately – but that’s because it hits the right mark. Few of us in the US are using it, but we all recognize the name. Current US popularity rank: #422.
Jesse – Jesse had a good run in the 1980s, the age of Jason and Joshua. But it strikes me as more Biblical classic than dated dad name. Current US popularity rank: #185.
Jonah – If Noah held the #1 spot for years, why not Jonah? It has the same connections to the sea, a similar bright, open sound, and Biblical roots that make it traditional. And yet, it’s not in the same venerable classic category as John and William and James.
Malcolm – We tend to overlook Malcolm, maybe because it’s not easy to pigeon-hole. It’s something of an intellectual name. Or maybe it’s British. But then again, it works well for a cowboy or a baseball player. And it’s impossible to peg to a specific decade. These are strengths, making it very much a brother name for Phoebe. Current US popularity rank: #394.
Simon – Simon strikes me as the smartest kid in the room, and yet I can also think of Simons who have excelled in music and the arts, in sports, politics, and theater. I mean … actor Simon Pegg alone might be reason to enough to consider it. Current US popularity rank: #254.
Thatcher – Promise this is the last surname name! I think Thatcher has a similar vibe to Emmett. But if you like this general category, there are lots of possibilities that are familiar, but not too common, that might be just right for Phoebe’s brother. Current US popularity rank: #814.
Overall, I truly do like Emmett for your family – though I hope you might find a name that makes you both think, “Emmett is good, but we agree this name is better.” I love the sound of Phoebe and Hugo together, and I wonder if that splits the difference exactly, between traditional boys’ names and something a little less expected.
So I’ll put Hugo at the top of my list, but I’m sure readers will have even more amazing suggestions: What would you name a brother for Phoebe Danielle?
Hi everyone, Phoebe and [unnamed]’s mom here. 🙂 I am back to first thank you all for your brilliant suggestions, and to ask my most trusted Internet friends for some more help.
After reading Abby’s awesome suggestions, Hugo immediately jumped out at me, so I was thrilled when my picky husband smiled at the name. I thought we had made some real progress, but then we said it out loud with our last name, which sounds like roo-sow. I just keep trying to make it work in my mind, but now I’m worried it really is as bad as we first thought.
I’d love any and all input. There are plenty of other great names on this post alone, so I’m sure we’ll find something if Hugo isn’t the one.
I fully agree with calvin. I love that name so much and it has that same kind of feel as phoebe. Old but modern, classic but cute, cal is adorable as a nickname.
Loving Emmet, Hugo Malcolm, Jonah or Jasper with Phoebe, but I have a soft spot for Sterling and think it could be a great middle name choice with any of the choices!
Phoebe Danielle and Jasper Sterling jumps our at me, but really any of the options sound great. Best of luck!!
The Mrs. says
A friendly name everyone knows but few are using?
Classic, approachable, dynamic… he’s got it all.
Congrats on your son and best wishes!
Sara L. Uckelman says
Both Ethan and Samuel together make me think of Seth.
JK Garrisin says
Hugo and Malcom seem like a great fits! Some other potential known but not too common brothers for Pheobe:
Corbin, Marshall, Porter, Otto, Harvey, Dexter, Conrad
Erin Beth says
I especially love the suggestions of Simon, Felix, August, Ambrose, Basil, and Miles. I would add:
Evander nn Evan
I think the suggestions of Simon and Jonah are so spot on as a brother for Phoebe. Phoebe always seems like such a happy name to me, making me want to suggest Felix, with the meaning happy.
Phoebe is such a great name. I love it!
What about Alfred (Alfie), Timothy, Martin, Theodore, Vincent, Nils, Quinn, William, Jude, Harry or Jack?
I do think Emmett is really great with Phoebe. And I love Peter but understand why you might not want to repeat a first initial.
I think Calvin is a great suggestion. A few others that I like for you:
Ooooooo- Seth, Jonah, or Joel.
Reuben? Reuben! Maybe too rare?
Archer, or Beckett or Brooks?
Silas or Elias- Eli?
Nolan, Julian or Duncan?
Levi, Jude or Miles?
Nathaniel! Elliot. Burke. Francis.
Zena Eve says
Calvin and Hugo were on our short list, so I’ll add our boys’ names – Cyrus and Errol. We also liked Angus, but I come from cattle farmers so that one didn’t make the cut!
Phoebe and Cooper!
I was going to make one suggestion but I see a couple others have also recommended this one- August. Phoebe and August sound great together and I think August blends traditional and modern together well… 🙂
Congrats on baby 2!
Agreed on August!!
If you don’t love Emmett, what about Everett? Phoebe & Everett=swoon!
I love that Atlas is also Greek.
Names that feel sort of modern but sort of classic to me: Rory, Arlo, Edmund, Jasper, Ren, Alistair, August, Oscar, Samson
I really like Phoebe and Samson
I have a Hugo and can highly recommend it! I liked the suggestion of Jonah, but actually think Jonas has more of an edge. Also thought: Victor, Magnus, Linus, Arthur.
Jean C. says
I love Abby’s suggestions of Hugo and Malcolm.
I would also suggest August (or my personal favorite, Augustus), Jude, Shepherd, Atlas, Oscar, Desmond.
I love the name Phoebe Danielle! And I love Abby’s suggestions! I am especially fond of Calvin, Hugo and Jesse (these plus Phoebe are all on my own list!). I also really like Megan’s suggestions of Eli and Bennett. Perhaps you would consider Aaron, Cruz, Dominic, Elias, Gabriel, Lars, Leo, Raymond, Theo or Vincent?
Megan Kuchta says
Oh! Phoebe and Theo are such a good sibset.
Abby’s suggestions are great. I especially like Simon. It has personality but approachability, which is how I feel about Phoebe as well. I find Emmett to be a little twee and, to me, it feels more popular than it is (maybe that has to do with how popular “Em” names are and the rise of names of Everett and Archer and Ellis).
I’m going to toss in two more names to consider:
Casey—feels friendly, but cowboyish, has personality but is a known quantity and isn’t too popular.
Francis—feels classic and sturdy but a little less predictable than Sam or Tom. I prefer the full name over Frank or Frankie and think it sounds adorable with Phoebe.
As usual I think Abby is spot on with her caution about the possible different emotions around naming not the first born. And I love her suggestions. Two more:
Oh what about Zane? Like Phoebe, it has some spunk to it and it’s familiar yet not overused; a perfect sweet spot name. Zane is a variation of classic John which may help bridge your unique style with your husband’s more traditional style. Zane Thomas would be my favorite pick of the family names but Zane Charles and Zane Peter are very handsome as well.
The suggestion of Zane makes me think of Zachary. It’s cool and classic. Currently number 109, down from number 15 in 2000.
Megan Kuchta says
I love the sound of Phoebe and Thatcher.
Maybe Emmett is the right name, and you just need the right middle name. Emmett Arlo has a nice ring to it, and Arlo is one of Abby’s unconventional Charles nicknames.
Otherwise Basil, Jasper, Ambrose, Eli, Forest, Cedric, Ephraim, and Wallace, Bennet, and Tristan all feel like they fit the classic, known, but largely unused, and they feel up the same alley as Emmett.
If you want to stick with literal classical names people know but don’t use much there’s Achilles and Ulysses.
Ooohhh, love Emmett Arlo.