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IF IT’S A BOY, THEY’RE ALL SET

Kara writes:

Our second child is due next month. Once again, we will not find out sex in advance.

We both have names that were very popular when we were growing up, Kara and Jake. Ideally, we’d prefer names that aren’t trendy or cute. Because our last name is reasonably common (think Mal-a-ger but with a G), we would like our children’s names to be a little bit different. In addition, we’re trying to avoid nicknames.

Our son’s name, Simon, is perfect. We have two more boys’ names that we like just as much, Felix and Patrick. (While I know Patrick could be Pat/Paddy, we would always call him Patrick.)

Our girls’ list hasn’t really come together. We have seriously considered:

  • Katharine – this spelling, not Kate, but maybe I’m being unrealistic?
  • Lily – we mostly agree, but we know five(!) and while none are so close to us that it rules out the name, that feels like the opposite of what we want for our child
  • Louise/Louisa – but he doesn’t like the “wheeze” in Louise and I think Louisa is too much
  • Nora – nearly perfect, but it’s our niece’s name and it would not work for us to use it, too
  • Ruth – a friend suggested Ruth and I like it, but maybe it’s too old-fashioned
  • Sarah – what I always wanted for my name, but I don’t know about rhyming names, plus then we’d have two S names and I know that if we had a third kid in the future I would feel obligated to choose another

At this point, I feel like we’re both scrolling through lists of the same names we’ve scrolled through dozens of times already and it’s just not helping. If I had to name a girl today, I might choose Katharine but I don’t feel settled about it.

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

baby girl in smocked dress half crawling/half sitting on dark background; smart names like Simon
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SMART NAMES LIKE SIMON – BUT FOR A GIRL

Abby replies:

Congratulations on your new baby!

Here’s what jumps out at me: you’re quite confident that calling your son Patrick, not Pat, is possible. But it sounds like your top name for a girl, Katharine, comes with the same challenge. Is there a reason it feels different to you? I can think of two school-aged Katherines, wait – make that three, no FOUR – who never shorten their names.

Looking at the rest of your list, I agree that Lily, Sarah, and Nora are probably best avoided. There’s no real way to compromise on Louise/Louisa, but we can use it as a jumping-off point for our name search.

That leaves Ruth, and I think it might deserve a second look. Because it was a Top Ten staple early in the 20th century, it’s easy to imagine an aged Ruth. But the name is back in the girls’ Top 200 and I think it reads more contemporary classic than dated relic.

Let’s find some fresh ideas to add to the mix, because lots of timeless, smart names like Simon could work if this baby is a girl.

FRESH SUGGESTIONS

BEATRICE

Do I suggest Beatrice too much? It reminds me of Katherine in terms of cadence. (Could be three syllables, usually pronounced more like two in American English, at least here in the Mid-Atlantic.) She could be Bea, but using the name in full is pretty standard.

CECILE

Cecilia is rising in use, but I wonder if Cecile would be the better choice? Yes, it’s another take on the Louise/Louisa debate, but without the wheeze.

ELISE

Another name that came to mind immediately, Elise shares a similar ending as Louise. It’s timeless and enduring, featured in song titles from Beethoven to The Cure.

FLORENCE

Like Ruth, Florence is a formerly antique name rising in use for our girls again.

HELEN

The first name that came to mind. Helen is spare and refined. It’s a classic choice, but it’s not an expected one. Helen cousins, like Elena, rank in the US Top 100. Helen stands slightly apart, in the best possible way.

LAURA

This name was big from the 1960s into the 80s, boosted by a scandalous soap opera romance, a mournful ballad, and, of course, Little House on the Prairie. Today, though, Laura reads classic and distinct from Nora, Cora, and Aurora.

ROSE

I’ll suggest Rose as an alternative to Ruth. Very similar, but maybe just a little bit softer thanks to the floral image.

VERA

Another Nora alternative, Vera is brief, complete, and enduring.

I’m not sure anything beats Katharine, but I really like the idea of Elise as a sister for Simon. They share an S sound, but more than that, I think they’re both nicely timeless and fresh on a 2020s kid. I’d also suggest Vera as a similar-but-different substitute for Nora.

Readers, over to you! Can you suggest more timeless, smart names like Simon for a girl?

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16 Comments

  1. Simon and _________ (G)al-a-ger

    I love Ruth for you, as well as Vera and Elise! Katharine is also great and would wear well, but be prepared to say “Katharine with an a, like Hepburn” and “Katharine, not Kate or Katie” with some frequency.

    I saw a few people suggest Lucy which I love for you! It’s the best of Louise and Louisa. Or maybe Lula instead? It reminds me of Sarah and Nora, too. Or even Lola?
    Simon and Lula Katharine (G)al-a-ger.
    Simon and Lucy Ruth (G)al-a-ger.
    Simon and Lola Katharine (G)al-a-ger.

    Another thought similar to Nora was Eleanor. It’s longer and feels a little more elegant and refined, more like Katharine.
    Simon and Eleanor Sarah (G)al-a-ger.
    Simon and Eleanor Ruth (G)al-a-ger.

    Katharine/Katherine always reminds me of Margaret. But Margaret is very likely to be nicknamed. What about Margot instead?
    Simon and Margot Katharine (G)al-a-ger.

    Other ideas:
    Georgia. Simon and Georgia Ruth (G)al-a-ger.
    Audrey. Simon and Audrey Katharine (G)al-a-ger.
    Jane. Simon and Jane Louisa (G)al-a-ger.
    Harriet. Simon and Harriet Katharine (G)al-a-ger.
    Esther. Simon and Esther Sarah (G)al-a-ger.

    Best of luck and sorry for any repeats!

  2. Ruth feels like a perfect choice! I love how it sounds with Simon and with your last name.

    Elise, Helen, and Laura are also great suggestions.

    Some other possibilities:

    Claire
    Ellen
    Emily
    Hannah
    Irene
    Iris
    Julia
    Lucia
    Lucy
    Naomi
    Rachel

  3. My daughterโ€™s middle name is Rose and her bestieโ€™s middle name is Ruth, and they use those names for themselves when they play pretend- at least in this anecdotal example, little girls love those names! I think all the names discussed here sound very good with your surname and I donโ€™t think you can go wrong.

  4. Congrats on baby #2!

    I think Ruth is definitely worth reconsidering and I love Abby’s suggestions of Elise and Vera

    3 syllable names that feel timeless like Katharine:
    Meredith, Vivian, Felicity, Lydia, Dorothy, Eliza, Adelaide, Cordelia, Delilah, Lillian, Fiona, Natalie

    2 syllable names similar in style to Nora/Sarah:
    Ada, Georgia, Cora, Clara, Nadine, Audrey, Greta, Nancy

    Short names similar to Ruth:
    Rose, Pearl, Fern, Gwen, Jane, Beth

    Overall, Georgia intrigues me. She looks lengthy like Katharine but is only 2 syllables like Sarah and shares that long O sound with Nora. She is timeless but sparky and not overused. Simon and Georgia sound great together. Georgia Katharine perhaps?

  5. I especially like the suggestions of Elise, Phoebe, Claire and Rowena.

    Some other names that I thought of with Simon are:
    Audrey.
    Daisy.
    Felicity.
    Naomi.
    Catherine, Cassandra called Cassie
    Dorothy
    Lydia, Lydie, Liddie
    Adeline, nicknamed Addie
    Molly
    Jane
    Marjorie, Margery
    Meredith
    Lucille, Lucinda, nicknamed Luci, Lucie
    Leonie
    Eugenie
    Emmeline
    Gwendoline, Gwyneth, nicknamed Gwen, Winnie
    Judith