Name Help is a series at Appellation Mountain. Every week, one reader’s name questions will be discussed. We’re relying on thoughtful comments from the community to help expectant parents narrow down their name decisions. Thank you in advance for sharing your insight!

LOOKING FOR ANOTHER OLD SCHOOL GEM

Erica writes:

We have two children. Our son, Howard “Howie” Michael is six and our daughter Trudy Elinor is turning three. Baby number three will be here this summer. It’s another boy, and we’d love your help finding the right name.

Our kids’ names are NOT family names. We get asked that All The Time, which I think is just a semi-polite way of asking why we our kids such grandpa and grammy names.

But we like old things, and we loved the way these were names that absolutely everybody knows but no one else seems to have, at least no one under the age of 80.

If this baby was a girl, we were debating Lorna, which was almost Trudy’s name, but everyone heard as Laura/Nora, or Jeanne/Jeannie.

Our list now:

  • ALFRED – Alf is great, Freddie is adorable, but my husband can’t shake the Alfred E. Neuman reference
  • CHESTER – though we probably like Chet better and Chester is just necessary
  • EDWIN – love this so much, but not wild about Eddie
  • ERNEST – probably my frontrunner, but the whole Bert and Ernie thing makes me hesitate
  • FLOYD – so adorable, but worried we’d call him Floydie, which is weird
  • HARVEY – too Weinstein?
  • IRVING – I think we should like it, but I’m not sure we do. And no way are we cool enough to call him Ving!
  • LELAND – But if we called him Leo, we’re back to popular names again.
  • MARSHALL – Missing a nickname we can get behind and feel like the initials MM are a little Slim Shady
  • ROSCOE – Maybe this is too much, even for us?
  • RUFUS – Same issue as Roscoe.
  • WALLACE – One of my favorites, not sold on Wally.
  • WILBUR – My husband’s favorite, I just think Charlotte’s Web.

Are there any names on this list that really feel like they could be it? Or should we be looking for something new?

PS – Our last name sounds like Color, but starts with a M.

Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.

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CUDDLY ANTIQUES

Abby replies:

Congratulations on your new son!

When I hear Howie and Trudy, I do think old-fashioned, but I also think cuddly! While they can grow into serious, accomplished names, they’re right at home on adorable children, too, right?

Because of that, I’m tempted to drop a few of these names that don’t naturally lead to a nickname – or immediately feel like they fit with Howie and Trudy in that way.

So I’d drop Irving and Marshall immediately.

Based on your descriptions, I’m also going to take Chester and Leland off the list. (Though dropping Leland sort of breaks my heart. It’s perfect … except I hear your concern re: Leo.)

RANKING CURRENT FAVORITES

That still leaves nine great names! Let’s rank them.

FLOYD, ROSCOE, RUFUS, WALLACE

I think these are great names! I’d be tempted to push for Roscoe, especially. And yet … your gut tells you that Roscoe and Rufus aren’t quite right. Floyd’s lack of nickname options feels like a serious flaw. And I’m not sold on Wally, either, though I think Wallace in full is dashing. (In fact, if you don’t have another middle name in mind, I’d probably suggest Wallace.)

HARVEY

Harvey feels like it has overcome its problematic associations, but does that satisfy your concern? My guess is that it wouldn’t come up in your child’s life, though maybe some other adults might think of it now.

WILBUR

With nicknames Will and Billy, it’s easy to make Wilbur quite flexible. And while the Charlotte’s Web reference isn’t perfect, I’m not sure it’s inherently problematic, right? I do wonder if Billy is a little too popular a nickname choice, sort of like Leland/Leo, though.

ERNEST

Such a cool, old school choice, and Ernie is darling! Also worth considering: Sesame Street, in general, isn’t quite the cultural juggernaut it once was. Yes, kids know it. But I feel like the kids in my life have been far more into Bluey, Paw Patrol, and Cocomelon in recent years. I think it deserves top contender status.

EDWIN

If Eddie isn’t quite right, would you consider Ned? There’s something smooth and polished about Edwin. Maybe it’s that winning second syllable. Or maybe it’s because we’re used to the idea of Edward and Edwin feels like a little bit of a glow up for that classic name.

ALFRED

Alf, Alfie, Freddie! What perfect names for a brother for Howie and Trudy. Plus Alfred has the same energy as Howard – old school, traditional, polished and vaguely British(ish), immediately familiar, seldom heard. I recognize the Alfred E. Neuman reference and yet … Mad Magazine hasn’t been around for a while. I’m guessing anyone under the age of 20 wouldn’t think of the character at all … instead, it’s probably very Batman’s loyal servant. (I just quizzed my pop culture vulture 15 y.o. who had never heard of Alfred E. Neuman. Not proof, but just a point.)

So I’d vote for Alfred with enthusiasm – Howard, Trudy, and Alfred; Howie, Trudy, and Alfie; Howie, Trudy, and Freddie.

It’s just plain perfection.

Readers, over to you – what would you name a brother for Howie and Trudy?

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20 Comments

  1. I find myself loving Gus with your sibset, so my favorite for you is:

    Augustine nn Gus. August would also work. I LOVE H0wie, Trewdee & Gus

    Other ideas:
    Edmund nn Ned
    Albert nn Bert or Al or Albie
    Julian nn Jules
    Virgil
    Aloysius nn Al

  2. Wilfred! All the charms of Alfred & Wilbur without the associations. I know of one that’s called Wilf! But there is also Will/Bill and Freddie!

    Also, I have an Edwin. I love it so much and am glad we used it. He is always Edwin to everybody. I’m aware that Ed/Eddie may eventuate some day, but he’s nearly six and nobody (except recently his 13yo brother) has ever tried. And Eddie is a friendly nickname, right? I’m prepared to cope with it if it comes to that and in the meantime enjoy Edwin in full.

    The other name that came to mind is Rupert. One of the girls in Edwin’s class has a little brother named Rupert and it’s delightful.

    All the best!

  3. I personally love Chester/Chet.

    Adding a few ideas.
    Alfred/Fredric/Fritz
    Clifford/Cliff/Ford
    Gerald/Gerry
    Jerome/Jerry
    Philip/Flip/Pippin
    Francis/Franklin/Frankie
    Henry/Henrik/Hank
    Benedict/Ned
    Valmont/Val/Monty (or Montgomery/Monty)
    Archibald/Archie
    Walter/Walt
    Melvin/Vinny
    Maurice/Reece
    Jacoby/Joby/Coby
    Timothy/Tim/Moth
    Christopher/Chip/Topper
    Crispin/Chip

  4. Alfred “Alfie” really stands out to me, too! I love that it has the R and D sounds to echo Howard and Trudy. Adding Wallace as a middle name (to echo the Ls in Michael and Elinor) seems just perfect!

    Alfred Wallace “M*ller”
    Howard, Trudy, and Alfred
    Howie, Trudy, and Alfie

    Some people might interpret Alfred Wallace as a tribute to the Victorian scientist Alfred Russel Wallace (co-discoverer with Charles Darwin of natural selection). But to me, that’s not a downside.

    I’m in my mid-30s and had no idea who Alfred E. Neuman was.

    I also love Edwin “Ned” and Ernest. I think “Ernie” is fine as a nickname, but you can also go with “Ern” or “Erno”.

    To my ear, Wilbur “M*ller” sounds a bit clunky, so I would eliminate it on those grounds.

    Floyd also makes a great middle name!

  5. Alfred called Alfie or Freddy is great sobbing with Howie and Trudy. If your husband isn’t sold due to that one reference (which I personally didn’t know) then what about Arthur “Artie”?

    Some suggestions:
    Abner “Abe”
    Stanley “Stan”
    Harold “Hal”
    Walter “Wally”
    Kenneth “Kenny”
    Leonard “Lenny”
    Francis “Frank”
    Eugene “Gene”
    Gilbert “Gil”
    Raymond “Ray”
    Maurice “Murray”
    Vernon “Vern”
    Sheldon “Shel”
    Gregory “Greg”

  6. My first thought, before I read OP’s list, was Alfred -but I have no idea who Alfred E Neuman is even though I’m far past 20. ‍♀️
    If not Alfred, what about Frederick? Howard, Trudy & Frederick… Howie, Trudy & Freddie?
    Or Wesley? Howie, Trudy & Wes?
    Congratulations on #3!

  7. I love Edwin (which could be Ned or Win) or Alfred (Freddy), but Ernest is my favorite!

  8. Hi! Congratulations on the upcoming addition to your family. Of your current favorites, I think Edwin “Ned” is great and Alfred with “Freddie” is cute. My maternal grandfather’s name was Alfred-he was originally from Germany & went by the full name. I also like Ernest & I have the association with “Ernie” from Sesame Street, but Abby is right – today’s kids don’t seem to watch it so much. I also love Roscoe-daring, but lovely. Here are a few more to consider: Bernard “Bernie,” Wilfred “Freddie,” Eugene “Gene” – my paternal grandfather’s name, Leonard “Lenny,” Harold “Hal,” Walter “Wally,” Calvin “Cal,” and August “Gus”. Best wishes!