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LOOKING FOR TIMELESS M and J NAMES (MAYBE)
Maddie writes:
We are expecting our first child, a daughter.
My husband and I both have very 90s names: Josh and Madison, though I go by Maddie. Neither of us dislikes our names, but we agree that we want our children’s names to be more timeless. We don’t want their names to announce their year of birth, and we don’t want them to be one of three in their class. Ideally, her name will stand out from others, but not in a crazy way.
So far we’re not finding names that really fit that description and we’re not agreeing on anything.
Here is my husband’s list:
- Katherine
- Charlotte
- Audrey
- Marilyn
- Melanie
- Megan
- Elaine
Here is my list:
- Josephine
- Caroline
- Lucy
- Hannah
- Julia
- Maya
In addition, my husband really likes the idea of an M or a J name, because we both share an initial with our dads (Jim and Mike). I don’t object to an M or a J name, but I don’t want to make choosing a name any harder than it already is.
Two other things to know are that our last name sounds like a monarch, so we can’t name her May, or she’d be “making” and I’m worried about that with Josephine. Would she be “joking” even though we wouldn’t plan to call her Jo?
Also we have a dog named Molly, so I do feel like we have a lot of M names already.
Please read on for my response and leave your thoughtful suggestions in the comments.
EVALUATING A (KINDA LONG) SHORT LIST
Abby replies:
Congratulations on your new daughter!
Here’s the (hard) thing: sometimes there’s a gap between what we like and what we want. There are times when we push ourselves to choose the more virtuous option – kale salad over a cheeseburger and fries, going to the gym instead of hitting snooze.
Except names don’t really have those kinds of weights attached, do they?
They’re not good or bad. It’s more like choosing between going for a run and taking a yoga class. Both have lots of benefits and maybe some trade-offs, but neither decision is inherently better. That’s true for choosing between, say, Josephine and Melanie, too.
Let’s talk about one more thing before we move on to your list.
TIMELESS OR TRENDY?
Many parents share your concern about finding a name that feels more timeless than trendy.
Tell us that your family includes three generations, and we know immediately that Linda is the grandmother, Jessica is her daughter, and Scarlett? She’s the new baby, of course.
Except the pool of truly timeless names for girls is very, very small. Elizabeth qualifies. Maybe Katherine and Margaret and Anna or Anne. But most names – even traditional favorites – do trend in and out of favor.
Still, a time-tested name like Sarah might’ve been very popular in the 1980s, but it’s not really an 80s name. So a list of classic girl names is a good place to start.
But here’s the thing: you’re probably not going to name your daughter Patricia or Agnes – even though they’re traditional choices.
You’re looking for a balance of timeless qualities with a name that sounds right for a daughter born in 2025.
With that in mind, let’s look at your current lists. I’m going to group your favorite names and your husband’s names together.
CURRENT SHORTLIST
MEGAN, MELANIE, MARILYN, ELAINE
All of these names were far more popular in the past than they are today. Megan and Melanie are 70s and 80s names; Elaine feels more 1940s; and I’d put Marilyn in the 1930s. Could they still wear well in 2025? Absolutely. In fact, the appeal of fast-rising Top 100 names Lainey is causing parents to take a second look at Elaine.
But I don’t think this is what you mean by timeless names. These names feel tied to a generation, but they haven’t quite reached vintage status.
HANNAH, AUDREY
These are still Top 100 names for girls right now, but they’ve been very popular for two decades. That might not matter at all! But a name that has been popular for a long time can sometimes feel more common than one that has recently risen in use. Also: your daughter might be the only girl in her swim class named Hannah, but don’t be surprised if she shares her name with the 20-something teacher.
CHARLOTTE
I’m putting Charlotte in its own category. Of course it is classic! And I’d like to call it timeless. But Charlotte is currently #3 for girls in the US. It’s ranked in the Top Ten since 2014. That means two things: first, yes her name might repeat – at least the odds are higher. More importantly, Charlotte will probably feel a little bit like Emily. Aren’t most Emilys adults right about now – even if the name is undeniably timeless?
MAYA
Again, a name that gets its own category. Maya has only ranked in the US Top 1000 since the 1970s. It’s been in the Top 100 since 2002. I’d call it a new classic, a name with a pan-global vibe that’s easy to wear across cultures and languages. In many ways, I think it fits your description of the kind of name you’d like – but it is not the kind of name you would’ve hear used in the US in the 1960s, much less the 1700s.
LUCY, JOSEPHINE
Two traditional names that are still climbing in use as of 2023, though neither ranks in the Top 25. I was immediately drawn to Josephine for you, except … if your last name would mean your daughter could become Jo K!ng, I feel like that’s not ideal. If it isn’t a much-use, absolute-favorite of a name, I would probably move on.
CAROLINE, JULIA
Two names that strike me as truly timeless. Julia did reach the US Top 50 from 1996 through 2009. But here’s the power of a classic name: it never reached Emily-Charlotte territory, and so it feels familiar, but not really tied to that moment. Likewise, Caroline has been bouncing around the US Top 100 since 1994. It’s not surprising or rare, but it does feel like a traditional, trend-resistant option. It’s easy to find women of distinction from any era in recent history who have answered to these names. (Off the top of my head: Julia Roberts, Julia Child, Julia Ward Howe; Caroline Kennedy, more than one Queen Caroline of England.)
KATHERINE
About as close to classic as a girl’s name gets. Elizabeth is closer, mostly because we agree on a single spelling. Katherine has traded places with Catherine and been rivaled by Kathryn over the decades. The spelling you prefer is most common now, and would absolutely be perceived as timeless and enduring.
TOP SUGGESTIONS
Initially my plan was to give you another handful of suggestions, but I’ve narrowed it to just two, and I’m going to mix in my top choices from your current list. Because I really do think you have some excellent choices already!
CAROLINE
Caroline and Charlotte are both feminine forms of Charles. (Which is originally Carl, in German, then became Carolus in Latin; Carol in English and Charles in French. Caroline comes directly from Carol. Charlotte is from Charles.) But the vibe is a little different. And while Charlotte sits at the tippy-top of the popularity charts, Caroline occupies a more modest, merely familiar, rank. I do think it’s quite timeless, fresh and elegant at once.
JULIA
From the ancient world to Charli XCX’s confident “360,” Julia is a name that has been around. In the best possible way. It fits with Top Ten picks like Sophia, but also rarities like Cordelia.
KATHERINE
An impeccable classic. Once upon a time, every Katherine became Kathy or Kate. Now? The little Katherines I know prefer their name in full.
MARGOT
Originally a French nickname for Margaret, Margot has stood on its own for ages. I wonder if it’s a less common alternative to Charlotte that also gets you the M initial?
MARIE
I know, I know. It’s everybody’s middle name. Except Marie is perfect as a first. Everyone knows it. Nobody is using it. Really! It ranks in the 600s right now. You’re more likely to meet a newborn named Halo, Capri, or Avianna.
But I keep coming back to Julia.
Maybe Julia Katherine, Julia Charlotte, or Julia Elaine, to borrow a middle from your husband’s list?
It’s nicely timeless, and it does give you a J name – which might not be necessary, but since Julia checks every other box? I feel like it’s worth considering.
I also love Margot Katherine or Marie Caroline.
First of all, all the names on your list are lovely and you can’t go wrong!
I especially love Julia and Margot for J and M, and also Caroline
Some others that came to mind, some of which have already been mentioned —
Theresa
Felicity
Juliet
Jocelyn
Matilda
Victoria
Miranda
Jacqueline
Marion
Alsoโฆwhat do you think of the name โJulina.โ
It is distinct from Julia, but easy to pronounce and a lovely variation, I think.
Julina
What about Marion instead of Meredith? It seems more glamorous to me and calls to mind the actress Marion Cotillard. It is quite timeless, I think.
Marion
Orโฆ Miranda?
OrโฆMaxine
OrโฆMartine
Or even just Milla?
Just a few additional โMโ names to consider.
You have 2 great lists, and they’re not too diferente, so you can just wait until you see your baby to decide.
But here are a few suggestions:
Juliet
Meredith
Jamie
June
Marigold
Maisie
Ruby
Stella
Violet
Noelle
Beatrice
Grace
Fiona
Lillian
Tessa
Alice
I really like Margaret for you. It’s incredibly classic and timeless, and nicknames could be Megan, Margot, Maisie, Maggie, Greta, etc. I could even see Maya as a nickname for Margaret. Jette or Jet gets the J as well as the M.
If you like Hannah, what about Anna? Or Marianna, Mariana, or Marianne. Any of the many -anna names would work great.
Your husband’s list gives me very elegant, old Hollywood vibes: Audrey Hepburn, Katharine Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe. Maybe Sophia (Loren), Elizabeth (Taylor), Grace (Kelly), or Vivien/Vivian/Vivienne (Leigh) would appeal? Evelyn, like the fictional Evelyn Hugo, is gorgeous as well.
Maybe Juliette or Juliet instead of Julia? Lucille or Louise instead of Lucy? (Or with the nickname Lucy?) Madelyn or Madeleine instead of Marilyn. Elena, Ellen, Eleanor, Helen, or Helena instead of Elaine. Eleanor and Helen seem especially timeless to me
Melanie reminds me of Elodie, Annalie, Emily, Natalie, Rosalie etc. I know Emily was discussed as seeming a little time-stamped but I do think it reads as very elegant and classic. Emma and Emery are popular enough that it fits in well.
Other thoughts: Amelia, Rose, Rosemary, Mallory, Mabel, Mirabelle, Matilda/Mathilde, June, Judith “Jude”, Mila, Miriam, Morgan, Joy
Mariana
Maribel
Abby, I just say I really enjoyed your advice on what we need vs want in a name. The comparison of naming being more like choosing a yoga vs a run as opposed to yoga or sleeping in really put things in perspective for me as I constantly hem and haw over my own name list!
On to name suggestions:
I think you have lots of great choices on your list but Julia definitely stands out as the winner to me.
Timeless, not trendy. Not too popular, and a J initial? It really checks all the boxes ๐
I especially like it with the middle name Katherine/Catherine. The alliteration with the middle and last name is really snappy and memorable
Julia Katherine K!ng, wow!
From your husband’s list, I absolutely love Audrey and think Audrey K!ng is tough to beat as well.
Audrey Katherine K!ng
I think Meredith, Lydia, Elise, Natalie, Eliza, and Felicity could work nicely as well.
Meredith K!ng
Lydia K!ng
Elise K!ng
Natalie K!ng
Eliza K!ng
Felicity K!ng
Another M name that is pretty timeless, I think, is Millicent. It has the cute nn โMillieโ and is a name that isnโt too common, but easy to pronounce, etc.